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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 17h 57m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 2 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)'s top six counters needs 1.00 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.23 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 2:55. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 40. A duo works from level 20.
Zamazenta (Crowned Shield) · Tier 3
fightingsteel
Weak to
fightinggroundfire
Boss CP
27,859
Boss HP
3,600
Raid timer
180s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Zamazenta (Crowned Shield) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 202(1.38)2(1.57)2(1.90)4:356.0
Level 252(1.22)2(1.32)2(1.60)3:526.0
Level 301(0.95)2(1.12)2(1.39)3:175.9
Level 351(0.93)2(1.05)2(1.31)3:045.8
Level 401(0.88)1(1.00)2(1.23)2:555.5
Level 451(0.83)1(0.95)2(1.19)2:475.1
Level 501(0.81)1(0.93)2(1.13)2:445.1

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Keldeo0.88

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Keldeo0.88
  • Blacephalon0.91
  • Terrakion1.01
  • Reshiram1.04
  • Lucario1.06
  • Landorus (Therian)1.07

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Groudon1.20
  • Urshifu (Rapid Strike)1.20
  • Emboar1.22
  • Conkeldurr1.22
  • Delphox1.23
  • Entei1.24

The party these numbers assume

1. Keldeo
Low Kick + Secret Sword
2. Blacephalon
Incinerate + Mind Blown
3. Terrakion
Double Kick + Sacred Sword
4. Reshiram
Fire Fang + Fusion Flare
5. Lucario
Force Palm + Aura Sphere
6. Landorus (Therian)
Mud Shot + Sandsear Storm

See the full ranked counter list for Zamazenta (Crowned Shield) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.