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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 3 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Alolan Vulpix's top six counters needs 1.62 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.21 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 7:29. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 25.
Alolan Vulpix · Elite
ice
Weak to
fightingrocksteelfire
Boss CP
17,480
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Alolan Vulpix at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.01)3(2.28)4(3.14)10:305.9
Level 252(1.76)2(1.98)3(2.72)9:075.5
Level 302(1.60)2(1.79)3(2.42)8:145.2
Level 352(1.50)2(1.69)3(2.32)7:474.9
Level 402(1.46)2(1.62)3(2.21)7:294.7
Level 452(1.39)2(1.56)3(2.14)7:104.5
Level 502(1.36)2(1.51)3(2.06)6:574.4

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.46

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.46
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)1.51
  • Necrozma (Dusk Mane)1.54
  • Blacephalon1.68
  • Keldeo1.70
  • Lucario1.86

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Kartana2.14
  • Volcarona2.17
  • Heatran2.19
  • Darmanitan (Standard)2.19
  • Chandelure2.23
  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)2.22

The party these numbers assume

1. Zacian (Crowned Sword)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Blade
2. Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Bash
3. Necrozma (Dusk Mane)
Metal Claw + Sunsteel Strike
4. Blacephalon
Incinerate + Mind Blown
5. Keldeo
Low Kick + Secret Sword
6. Lucario
Force Palm + Aura Sphere

See the full ranked counter list for Alolan Vulpix · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.