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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 1d 0h

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 3 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Vaporeon's top six counters needs 1.72 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.11 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 7:56. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 30.
Vaporeon · Tier 5
water
Weak to
grasselectric
Boss CP
35,745
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Vaporeon at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.58)3(2.61)4(3.00)12:006.0
Level 253(2.25)3(2.17)3(2.62)10:006.0
Level 302(1.99)2(1.92)3(2.31)8:516.0
Level 352(1.78)2(1.81)3(2.20)8:205.9
Level 402(1.63)2(1.72)3(2.11)7:565.9
Level 452(1.55)2(1.65)3(2.03)7:365.8
Level 502(1.51)2(1.58)2(1.96)7:175.8

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki1.63

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki1.63
  • Kartana1.72
  • Zeraora1.74
  • Zekrom1.74
  • Xurkitree1.74
  • Thundurus (Therian)1.76

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Roserade2.03
  • Raikou2.05
  • Electivire2.07
  • Chesnaught2.08
  • Tapu Bulu2.08
  • Decidueye2.12

The party these numbers assume

1. Regieleki
Lock-On + Thunder Cage
2. Kartana
Razor Leaf + Leaf Blade
3. Zeraora
Volt Switch + Plasma Fists
4. Zekrom
Charge Beam + Fusion Bolt
5. Xurkitree
Thunder Shock + Discharge
6. Thundurus (Therian)
Volt Switch + Wildbolt Storm

See the full ranked counter list for Vaporeon · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.