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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 2 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Umbreon's top six counters needs 0.81 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.00 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 2:21. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 25. A duo works from level 20.
Umbreon · Tier 3
dark
Weak to
fightingbugfairy
Boss CP
13,509
Boss HP
3,600
Raid timer
180s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Umbreon at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 201(0.96)2(1.13)2(1.40)3:185.2
Level 251(0.87)1(0.99)2(1.24)2:534.5
Level 301(0.77)1(0.87)2(1.10)2:333.6
Level 351(0.74)1(0.84)2(1.04)2:273.2
Level 401(0.72)1(0.81)2(1.00)2:212.9
Level 451(0.70)1(0.79)1(0.97)2:192.5
Level 501(0.69)1(0.76)1(0.94)2:142.3

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Keldeo0.72

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Keldeo0.72
  • Lucario0.77
  • Kartana0.80
  • Terrakion0.82
  • Blaziken0.85
  • Pheromosa0.86

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Breloom0.96
  • Eternatus0.96
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)0.98
  • Tapu Koko0.99
  • Volcarona1.00
  • Marshadow1.00

The party these numbers assume

1. Keldeo
Low Kick + Secret Sword
2. Lucario
Force Palm + Aura Sphere
3. Kartana
Fury Cutter + Sacred Sword
4. Terrakion
Double Kick + Sacred Sword
5. Blaziken
Counter + Aura Sphere
6. Pheromosa
Bug Bite + Bug Buzz

See the full ranked counter list for Umbreon · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.