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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 5 to be safe — 4 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Turtonator's top six counters needs 3.39 trainers (round up: 4), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 4.24 (round up: 5). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 15:36. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Turtonator · Elite
firedragon
Weak to
groundrockdragon
Boss CP
38,605
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Turtonator at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 204(3.81)5(4.98)7(6.36)22:546.0
Level 254(3.27)5(4.22)6(5.25)19:246.0
Level 304(3.02)4(3.74)5(4.63)17:126.0
Level 353(2.75)4(3.57)5(4.42)16:255.9
Level 403(2.69)4(3.39)5(4.24)15:365.9
Level 453(2.57)4(3.32)5(4.04)15:165.8
Level 503(2.52)4(3.20)4(3.91)14:435.8

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Eternatus2.69

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Eternatus2.69
  • Palkia (Origin)3.39
  • Rayquaza3.52
  • Baxcalibur3.55
  • Haxorus3.58
  • Kyurem (Black)3.60

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

5 trainers at level 40

  • Salamence4.00
  • Kyurem (White)4.09
  • Dragonite4.11
  • Groudon4.20
  • Reshiram4.17
  • Rampardos4.22

The party these numbers assume

1. Eternatus
Dragon Tail + Dynamax Cannon
2. Palkia (Origin)
Dragon Tail + Spacial Rend
3. Rayquaza
Dragon Tail + Breaking Swipe
4. Baxcalibur
Dragon Breath + Glaive Rush
5. Haxorus
Dragon Tail + Breaking Swipe
6. Kyurem (Black)
Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock

See the full ranked counter list for Turtonator · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.