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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 15h 46m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 3 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Swadloon's top six counters needs 1.69 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.05 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 7:47. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 30.
Swadloon · Elite
buggrass
Weak to
flyingfirepoisonrockbugice
Boss CP
24,459
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Swadloon at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.11)3(2.35)3(2.86)10:505.9
Level 252(1.79)3(2.05)3(2.49)9:265.5
Level 302(1.60)2(1.85)3(2.24)8:305.1
Level 352(1.52)2(1.76)3(2.14)8:054.9
Level 402(1.45)2(1.69)3(2.05)7:474.5
Level 452(1.39)2(1.64)2(1.98)7:324.3
Level 502(1.35)2(1.59)2(1.91)7:184.1

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Blacephalon1.45

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Blacephalon1.45
  • Rayquaza1.56
  • Reshiram1.70
  • Salamence1.77
  • Moltres1.80
  • Yveltal1.87

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Staraptor1.96
  • Darmanitan (Standard)1.97
  • Enamorus (Incarnate)1.97
  • Ho-Oh1.98
  • Tornadus (Therian)2.01
  • Delphox2.07

The party these numbers assume

1. Blacephalon
Incinerate + Mind Blown
2. Rayquaza
Air Slash + Dragon Ascent
3. Reshiram
Fire Fang + Fusion Flare
4. Salamence
Fire Fang + Fly
5. Moltres
Fire Spin + Fly
6. Yveltal
Gust + Oblivion Wing

See the full ranked counter list for Swadloon · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.