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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 22h 41m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 5 to be safe — 4 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Silvally (Water)'s top six counters needs 3.41 trainers (round up: 4), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 4.25 (round up: 5). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 15:42. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Silvally (Water) · Elite
water
Weak to
grasselectric
Boss CP
43,962
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Silvally (Water) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 205(4.95)5(4.96)7(6.24)22:496.0
Level 255(4.17)5(4.22)6(5.27)19:266.0
Level 304(3.76)4(3.79)5(4.67)17:256.0
Level 354(3.50)4(3.56)5(4.45)16:246.0
Level 404(3.23)4(3.41)5(4.25)15:425.9
Level 453(2.98)4(3.25)5(4.12)14:585.9
Level 503(2.89)4(3.14)4(3.95)14:285.9

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki3.23

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki3.23
  • Zeraora3.38
  • Thundurus (Therian)3.40
  • Kartana3.45
  • Xurkitree3.47
  • Zekrom3.54

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

5 trainers at level 40

  • Electivire4.03
  • Kyurem (Black)4.05
  • Meowscarada4.16
  • Magnezone4.15
  • Roserade4.24
  • Zapdos4.25

The party these numbers assume

1. Regieleki
Lock-On + Thunder Cage
2. Zeraora
Volt Switch + Plasma Fists
3. Thundurus (Therian)
Volt Switch + Wildbolt Storm
4. Kartana
Razor Leaf + Leaf Blade
5. Xurkitree
Thunder Shock + Discharge
6. Zekrom
Charge Beam + Fusion Bolt

See the full ranked counter list for Silvally (Water) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.