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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 1 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Silcoon's top six counters needs 0.30 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 0.34 (round up: 1). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 0:53. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 20. A duo works from level 20.
Silcoon · Tier 3
bug
Weak to
flyingrockfire
Boss CP
4,316
Boss HP
3,600
Raid timer
180s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Silcoon at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 201(0.34)1(0.40)1(0.46)1:090.3
Level 251(0.33)1(0.36)1(0.42)1:040.0
Level 301(0.29)1(0.33)1(0.38)0:580.0
Level 351(0.29)1(0.32)1(0.37)0:560.0
Level 401(0.26)1(0.30)1(0.34)0:530.0
Level 451(0.26)1(0.30)1(0.34)0:520.0
Level 501(0.26)1(0.29)1(0.34)0:520.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Blacephalon0.26

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Blacephalon0.26
  • Rayquaza0.28
  • Reshiram0.30
  • Enamorus (Incarnate)0.32
  • Moltres0.32
  • Toucannon0.32

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Volcarona0.34
  • Blaziken0.34
  • Heatran0.34
  • Ho-Oh0.34
  • Chandelure0.34
  • Flareon0.34

The party these numbers assume

1. Blacephalon
Astonish + Mind Blown
2. Rayquaza
Air Slash + Dragon Ascent
3. Reshiram
Fire Fang + Fusion Flare
4. Enamorus (Incarnate)
Fairy Wind + Fly
5. Moltres
Wing Attack + Fly
6. Toucannon
Peck + Beak Blast

See the full ranked counter list for Silcoon · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.