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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 13 to be safe — 8 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Shuckle's top six counters needs 7.67 trainers (round up: 8), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 12.70 (round up: 13). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 36:13. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Shuckle · Shadow Tier 5
bugrock
Weak to
rocksteelwater
Boss CP
7,945
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Shuckle at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 207(6.51)10(9.32)13(12.71)44:002.4
Level 257(6.04)9(8.89)13(12.70)42:011.7
Level 306(5.73)9(8.14)13(12.70)38:261.6
Level 356(5.53)8(7.97)13(12.70)37:401.4
Level 405(4.70)8(7.67)13(12.70)36:131.2
Level 455(4.64)8(7.56)13(12.55)35:421.1
Level 505(4.51)8(7.42)13(12.49)35:041.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

5 trainers at level 40

  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)4.70

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

8 trainers at level 40

  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)4.70
  • Necrozma (Dusk Mane)4.75
  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)4.84
  • Vaporeon9.97
  • Zekrom10.76
  • Latias10.98

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

13 trainers at level 40

  • Spidops12.70
  • Doublade12.70
  • Lickilicky12.70
  • Meganium12.70
  • Haunter12.70
  • Electabuzz12.70

The party these numbers assume

1. Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Bash
2. Necrozma (Dusk Mane)
Metal Claw + Sunsteel Strike
3. Zacian (Crowned Sword)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Blade
4. Vaporeon
Water Gun + Aqua Tail
5. Zekrom
Dragon Breath + Outrage
6. Latias
Dragon Breath + Mist Ball

See the full ranked counter list for Shuckle · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.

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