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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 18h 47m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 4 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Shaymin (Sky)'s top six counters needs 2.33 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 3.04 (round up: 4). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 10:43. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Shaymin (Sky) · Elite
grassflying
Weak to
iceflyingpoisonrockfire
Boss CP
52,512
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Shaymin (Sky) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.57)4(3.65)5(4.76)16:486.0
Level 252(1.99)3(2.98)4(3.94)13:426.0
Level 302(1.77)3(2.61)4(3.46)12:006.0
Level 352(1.66)3(2.48)4(3.22)11:256.0
Level 402(1.61)3(2.33)4(3.04)10:436.0
Level 452(1.56)3(2.25)3(2.92)10:216.0
Level 502(1.50)3(2.15)3(2.79)9:546.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Kyurem (White)1.61

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Kyurem (White)1.61
  • Kyurem (Black)2.07
  • Baxcalibur2.29
  • Rayquaza2.60
  • Eternatus2.68
  • Cetitan2.72

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Avalugg2.92
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)2.93
  • Articuno2.94
  • Vanilluxe2.99
  • Moltres3.02
  • Genesect (Chill)3.04

The party these numbers assume

1. Kyurem (White)
Ice Fang + Ice Burn
2. Kyurem (Black)
Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock
3. Baxcalibur
Ice Fang + Avalanche
4. Rayquaza
Air Slash + Dragon Ascent
5. Eternatus
Poison Jab + Dynamax Cannon
6. Cetitan
Ice Shard + Avalanche

See the full ranked counter list for Shaymin (Sky) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.