Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

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Invite 3 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Scyther's top six counters needs 2.27 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.83 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 10:27. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.

Scyther · Elite

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Weak to

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Boss CP: 44,818
Boss HP: 20,000
Raid timer: 300s
Party used: 6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Scyther at each attacker level
Attacker level	Six of the best counter	A prepared party	A mixed local group	Prepared solo time	Faints per timer
Level 20	4(3.10)	4(3.42)	5(4.31)	15:45	6.0
Level 25	3(2.59)	3(2.85)	4(3.54)	13:06	6.0
Level 30	3(2.38)	3(2.53)	4(3.14)	11:38	6.0
Level 35	3(2.26)	3(2.38)	3(2.97)	10:56	6.0
Level 40	3(2.14)	3(2.27)	3(2.83)	10:27	6.0
Level 45	3(2.02)	3(2.18)	3(2.71)	10:01	6.0
Level 50	2(1.96)	3(2.10)	3(2.62)	9:40	6.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

3 trainers at level 40

Glimmora2.14

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

Glimmora2.14
Rampardos2.15
Gigalith2.32
Terrakion2.33
Tyrantrum2.34
Rhyperior2.35

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

Aerodactyl2.70
Landorus (Incarnate)2.76
Archeops2.77
Lycanroc (Dusk)2.78
Lycanroc (Midday)2.81
Kyurem (Black)2.83

The party these numbers assume

1. Glimmora

Rock Throw + Meteor Beam

2. Rampardos

Smack Down + Rock Slide

3. Gigalith

Lock-On + Meteor Beam

4. Terrakion

Smack Down + Rock Slide

5. Tyrantrum

Rock Throw + Meteor Beam

6. Rhyperior

Smack Down + Rock Wrecker

See the full ranked counter list for Scyther · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.