Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

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Invite 2 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Pineco's top six counters needs 0.88 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.03 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 2:35. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 30. A duo works from level 20.

Pineco · Shadow Tier 3

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Weak to

flyingrockfire

Boss CP: 9,105
Boss HP: 4,000
Raid timer: 180s
Party used: 6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Pineco at each attacker level
Attacker level	Six of the best counter	A prepared party	A mixed local group	Prepared solo time	Faints per timer
Level 20	2(1.19)	2(1.27)	2(1.47)	3:43	5.0
Level 25	2(1.04)	2(1.09)	2(1.27)	3:11	4.4
Level 30	1(0.85)	1(0.96)	2(1.15)	2:49	3.6
Level 35	1(0.81)	1(0.92)	2(1.09)	2:42	3.4
Level 40	1(0.78)	1(0.88)	2(1.03)	2:35	3.0
Level 45	1(0.75)	1(0.86)	1(0.99)	2:31	2.7
Level 50	1(0.73)	1(0.83)	1(0.96)	2:25	2.4

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

Blacephalon0.78

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

Blacephalon0.78
Rayquaza0.82
Reshiram0.89
Salamence0.90
Moltres0.95
Yveltal0.96

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

Staraptor1.02
Cinderace1.02
Rampardos1.02
Volcarona1.03
Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.01
Galarian Articuno1.03

The party these numbers assume

1. Blacephalon

Incinerate + Mind Blown

2. Rayquaza

Air Slash + Dragon Ascent

3. Reshiram

Fire Fang + Fusion Flare

4. Salamence

Fire Fang + Fly

5. Moltres

Fire Spin + Fly

6. Yveltal

Gust + Oblivion Wing

See the full ranked counter list for Pineco · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.