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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 4 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Phione's top six counters needs 2.83 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 3.46 (round up: 4). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 13:01. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Phione · Elite
water
Weak to
grasselectric
Boss CP
33,302
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Phione at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 205(4.57)5(4.27)5(4.89)19:386.0
Level 254(3.52)4(3.57)5(4.30)16:266.0
Level 304(3.16)4(3.16)4(3.80)14:326.0
Level 353(2.83)3(2.98)4(3.62)13:436.0
Level 403(2.71)3(2.83)4(3.46)13:015.9
Level 453(2.62)3(2.73)4(3.34)12:345.8
Level 503(2.49)3(2.63)4(3.24)12:055.8

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki2.71

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki2.71
  • Kartana2.79
  • Xurkitree2.84
  • Thundurus (Therian)2.84
  • Zeraora2.87
  • Zekrom2.94

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Roserade3.31
  • Raikou3.32
  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)3.33
  • Electivire3.35
  • Tapu Bulu3.42
  • Sceptile3.46

The party these numbers assume

1. Regieleki
Lock-On + Thunder Cage
2. Kartana
Razor Leaf + Leaf Blade
3. Xurkitree
Thunder Shock + Discharge
4. Thundurus (Therian)
Volt Switch + Wildbolt Storm
5. Zeraora
Volt Switch + Plasma Fists
6. Zekrom
Charge Beam + Fusion Bolt

See the full ranked counter list for Phione · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.