Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

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Invite 2 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Magneton's top six counters needs 1.31 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.72 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 6:02. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 20.

Magneton · Tier 5

electricsteel

Weak to

groundfightingfire

Boss CP: 39,539
Boss HP: 15,000
Raid timer: 300s
Party used: 6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Magneton at each attacker level
Attacker level	Six of the best counter	A prepared party	A mixed local group	Prepared solo time	Faints per timer
Level 20	2(1.69)	2(1.90)	3(2.53)	8:45	5.9
Level 25	2(1.45)	2(1.64)	3(2.17)	7:34	5.8
Level 30	2(1.28)	2(1.44)	2(1.92)	6:39	5.6
Level 35	2(1.22)	2(1.37)	2(1.81)	6:19	5.5
Level 40	2(1.13)	2(1.31)	2(1.72)	6:02	5.5
Level 45	2(1.10)	2(1.26)	2(1.67)	5:49	5.5
Level 50	2(1.07)	2(1.22)	2(1.61)	5:36	5.4

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

Landorus (Therian)1.13

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

Landorus (Therian)1.13
Groudon1.25
Excadrill1.32
Garchomp1.36
Landorus (Incarnate)1.38
Mamoswine1.42

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

Donphan1.61
Hippowdon1.66
Torterra1.66
Flygon1.68
Sandaconda1.71
Reshiram1.73

The party these numbers assume

1. Landorus (Therian)

Mud Shot + Sandsear Storm

2. Groudon

Mud Shot + Precipice Blades

3. Excadrill

Mud-Slap + Scorching Sands

4. Garchomp

Mud Shot + Earth Power

5. Landorus (Incarnate)

Mud Shot + Earth Power

6. Mamoswine

Mud-Slap + High Horsepower

See the full ranked counter list for Magneton · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.