Skip to content
PoGoBud
Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 1d 0h

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 4 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Lucario's top six counters needs 2.58 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 3.14 (round up: 4). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 11:53. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Lucario · Elite
fightingsteel
Weak to
fightinggroundfire
Boss CP
44,759
Boss HP
20,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Lucario at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 204(3.31)5(4.13)5(4.99)18:596.0
Level 253(2.80)4(3.45)5(4.11)15:536.0
Level 303(2.41)3(2.90)4(3.55)13:226.0
Level 353(2.32)3(2.75)4(3.35)12:396.0
Level 403(2.23)3(2.58)4(3.14)11:536.0
Level 453(2.17)3(2.48)4(3.02)11:246.0
Level 503(2.01)3(2.36)3(2.90)10:526.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Keldeo2.23

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Keldeo2.23
  • Reshiram2.59
  • Blacephalon2.55
  • Terrakion2.65
  • Blaziken2.72
  • Landorus (Therian)2.76

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Ho-Oh3.06
  • Cinderace3.11
  • Chandelure3.02
  • Emboar3.12
  • Conkeldurr3.11
  • Urshifu (Single Strike)3.13

The party these numbers assume

1. Keldeo
Low Kick + Secret Sword
2. Reshiram
Fire Fang + Fusion Flare
3. Blacephalon
Incinerate + Mind Blown
4. Terrakion
Double Kick + Sacred Sword
5. Blaziken
Counter + Aura Sphere
6. Landorus (Therian)
Mud Shot + Sandsear Storm

See the full ranked counter list for Lucario · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.