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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 18h 47m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 3 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Kyurem (Black)'s top six counters needs 1.57 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.21 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 7:14. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 30.
Kyurem (Black) · Tier 5
dragonice
Weak to
fightingrocksteeldragonfairy
Boss CP
56,009
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Kyurem (Black) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.32)3(2.46)4(3.48)11:196.0
Level 252(1.83)3(2.02)3(2.98)9:196.0
Level 302(1.63)2(1.78)3(2.54)8:126.0
Level 352(1.54)2(1.68)3(2.38)7:446.0
Level 402(1.45)2(1.57)3(2.21)7:145.9
Level 452(1.41)2(1.53)3(2.13)7:025.9
Level 502(1.36)2(1.45)3(2.05)6:395.9

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.45

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.45
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)1.47
  • Eternatus1.50
  • Necrozma (Dusk Mane)1.52
  • Keldeo1.72
  • Dialga (Origin)1.77

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Blaziken2.08
  • Tinkaton2.14
  • Dialga2.14
  • Garchomp2.21
  • Kartana2.22
  • Rayquaza2.19

The party these numbers assume

1. Zacian (Crowned Sword)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Blade
2. Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Bash
3. Eternatus
Dragon Tail + Dynamax Cannon
4. Necrozma (Dusk Mane)
Metal Claw + Sunsteel Strike
5. Keldeo
Low Kick + Secret Sword
6. Dialga (Origin)
Metal Claw + Roar of Time

See the full ranked counter list for Kyurem (Black) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.