Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

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Invite 2 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Hoppip's top six counters needs 1.33 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.75 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 6:16. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 20.

Hoppip · Shadow Tier 5

grassflying

Weak to

iceflyingpoisonrockfire

Boss CP: 10,485
Boss HP: 15,000
Raid timer: 300s
Party used: 6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Hoppip at each attacker level
Attacker level	Six of the best counter	A prepared party	A mixed local group	Prepared solo time	Faints per timer
Level 20	2(1.37)	2(1.87)	3(2.43)	8:49	5.7
Level 25	2(1.20)	2(1.63)	3(2.11)	7:41	5.4
Level 30	2(1.08)	2(1.45)	2(1.92)	6:52	5.1
Level 35	2(1.04)	2(1.38)	2(1.83)	6:31	5.0
Level 40	1(1.00)	2(1.33)	2(1.75)	6:16	4.9
Level 45	1(0.96)	2(1.29)	2(1.70)	6:05	4.7
Level 50	1(0.93)	2(1.25)	2(1.63)	5:53	4.5

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

Kyurem (White)1.00

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

Kyurem (White)1.00
Kyurem (Black)1.30
Galarian Darmanitan (Standard)1.35
Baxcalibur1.37
Mamoswine1.45
Blacephalon1.49

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

Eternatus1.69
Mewtwo1.71
Frosmoth1.70
Mr. Rime1.71
Reshiram1.75
Genesect (Chill)1.74

The party these numbers assume

1. Kyurem (White)

Ice Fang + Ice Burn

2. Kyurem (Black)

Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock

3. Galarian Darmanitan (Standard)

Ice Fang + Avalanche

4. Baxcalibur

Ice Fang + Avalanche

5. Mamoswine

Powder Snow + Avalanche

6. Blacephalon

Incinerate + Mind Blown

See the full ranked counter list for Hoppip · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.