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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 1 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Giratina (Altered)'s top six counters needs 0.15 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 0.20 (round up: 1). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 0:27. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 20. A duo works from level 20.
Giratina (Altered) · Shadow Tier 1
ghostdragon
Weak to
ghosticedragondarkfairy
Boss CP
7,665
Boss HP
600
Raid timer
180s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Giratina (Altered) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 201(0.20)1(0.22)1(0.29)0:401.1
Level 251(0.16)1(0.19)1(0.25)0:340.5
Level 301(0.14)1(0.17)1(0.23)0:310.2
Level 351(0.13)1(0.16)1(0.21)0:290.1
Level 401(0.13)1(0.15)1(0.20)0:270.1
Level 451(0.13)1(0.15)1(0.19)0:260.1
Level 501(0.13)1(0.15)1(0.19)0:260.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Eternatus0.13

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Eternatus0.13
  • Kyurem (Black)0.14
  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)0.15
  • Kyurem (White)0.16
  • Palkia (Origin)0.16
  • Dialga (Origin)0.17

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Darkrai0.19
  • Salamence0.19
  • Blacephalon0.19
  • Zekrom0.19
  • Dialga0.20
  • Hisuian Zoroark0.20

The party these numbers assume

1. Eternatus
Dragon Tail + Dynamax Cannon
2. Kyurem (Black)
Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock
3. Necrozma (Dawn Wings)
Shadow Claw + Moongeist Beam
4. Kyurem (White)
Dragon Breath + Ice Burn
5. Palkia (Origin)
Dragon Tail + Spacial Rend
6. Dialga (Origin)
Dragon Breath + Roar of Time

See the full ranked counter list for Giratina (Altered) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.