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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 5 to be safe — 4 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Donphan's top six counters needs 3.59 trainers (round up: 4), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 4.35 (round up: 5). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 16:58. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Donphan · Shadow Tier 5
ground
Weak to
watergrassice
Boss CP
39,663
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Donphan at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 205(4.78)6(5.33)7(6.79)25:126.0
Level 254(3.90)5(4.56)6(5.62)21:336.0
Level 304(3.41)5(4.01)5(4.85)18:566.0
Level 354(3.27)4(3.81)5(4.55)17:596.0
Level 404(3.09)4(3.59)5(4.35)16:585.9
Level 453(2.98)4(3.46)5(4.16)16:215.9
Level 503(2.87)4(3.33)4(4.00)15:455.9

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Kyurem (White)3.09

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Kyurem (White)3.09
  • Kyurem (Black)3.44
  • Shaymin (Sky)3.67
  • Zarude3.69
  • Kartana3.79
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)3.87

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

5 trainers at level 40

  • Samurott4.19
  • Meowscarada4.30
  • Chesnaught4.30
  • Decidueye4.33
  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)4.33
  • Sceptile4.36

The party these numbers assume

1. Kyurem (White)
Ice Fang + Ice Burn
2. Kyurem (Black)
Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock
3. Shaymin (Sky)
Magical Leaf + Grass Knot
4. Zarude
Vine Whip + Power Whip
5. Kartana
Razor Leaf + Leaf Blade
6. Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)
Ice Fang + Behemoth Bash

See the full ranked counter list for Donphan · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.

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