Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

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Invite 2 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Ditto's top six counters needs 1.00 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.23 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 4:35. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 40. A duo works from level 20.

Ditto · Tier 5

normal

Weak to

fighting

Boss CP: 13,366
Boss HP: 15,000
Raid timer: 300s
Party used: 6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Ditto at each attacker level
Attacker level	Six of the best counter	A prepared party	A mixed local group	Prepared solo time	Faints per timer
Level 20	2(1.16)	2(1.34)	2(1.65)	6:09	4.3
Level 25	2(1.04)	2(1.18)	2(1.46)	5:27	3.5
Level 30	1(0.95)	2(1.08)	2(1.33)	4:57	2.9
Level 35	1(0.90)	2(1.03)	2(1.27)	4:44	2.6
Level 40	1(0.88)	1(1.00)	2(1.23)	4:35	2.4
Level 45	1(0.85)	1(0.96)	2(1.19)	4:25	2.0
Level 50	1(0.83)	1(0.94)	2(1.15)	4:19	1.9

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

Keldeo0.88

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

Keldeo0.88
Lucario0.94
Terrakion1.01
Blaziken1.02
Kartana1.06
Pheromosa1.07

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

Zacian (Crowned Sword)1.18
Marshadow1.19
Gallade1.19
Mewtwo1.19
Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)1.22
Machamp1.22

The party these numbers assume

1. Keldeo

Low Kick + Secret Sword

2. Lucario

Force Palm + Aura Sphere

3. Terrakion

Double Kick + Sacred Sword

4. Blaziken

Counter + Aura Sphere

5. Kartana

Fury Cutter + Sacred Sword

6. Pheromosa

Low Kick + Focus Blast

See the full ranked counter list for Ditto · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.