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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 3 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Deoxys (Speed)'s top six counters needs 2.39 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 2.71 (round up: 3). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 10:59. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Deoxys (Speed) · Tier 5
psychic
Weak to
bugghostdark
Boss CP
45,802
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Deoxys (Speed) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 203(2.63)4(3.39)4(3.89)15:355.9
Level 253(2.27)3(2.89)4(3.33)13:185.8
Level 303(2.07)3(2.59)3(2.98)11:555.6
Level 353(2.00)3(2.50)3(2.85)11:305.4
Level 402(1.89)3(2.39)3(2.71)10:595.4
Level 452(1.78)3(2.30)3(2.60)10:365.2
Level 502(1.76)3(2.19)3(2.51)10:045.1

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)1.89

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)1.89
  • Darkrai2.38
  • Blacephalon2.52
  • Lunala2.49
  • Necrozma (Dusk Mane)2.53
  • Kyurem (Black)2.52

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)2.60
  • Gholdengo2.63
  • Gengar2.69
  • Absol2.71
  • Kingambit2.71
  • Hoopa2.72

The party these numbers assume

1. Necrozma (Dawn Wings)
Shadow Claw + Moongeist Beam
2. Darkrai
Snarl + Foul Play
3. Blacephalon
Astonish + Shadow Ball
4. Lunala
Shadow Claw + Shadow Ball
5. Necrozma (Dusk Mane)
Shadow Claw + Sunsteel Strike
6. Kyurem (Black)
Shadow Claw + Freeze Shock

See the full ranked counter list for Deoxys (Speed) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.