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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 2 to be safe — 2 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Mega Charizard X's top six counters needs 1.22 trainers (round up: 2), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.49 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 5:40. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party. A duo works from level 20.
Mega Charizard X · Mega
firedragon
Weak to
groundrockdragon
Boss CP
41,255
Boss HP
9,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Mega Charizard X at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 202(1.33)2(1.87)3(2.31)8:426.0
Level 252(1.20)2(1.56)2(1.94)7:156.0
Level 302(1.08)2(1.35)2(1.69)6:176.0
Level 352(1.00)2(1.29)2(1.58)5:596.0
Level 401(0.95)2(1.22)2(1.49)5:406.0
Level 451(0.92)2(1.17)2(1.45)5:285.9
Level 501(0.88)2(1.14)2(1.40)5:185.9

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Eternatus0.95

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Eternatus0.95
  • Palkia (Origin)1.22
  • Baxcalibur1.27
  • Kyurem (Black)1.28
  • Rayquaza1.29
  • Dialga (Origin)1.30

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Kyurem (White)1.40
  • Reshiram1.44
  • Salamence1.45
  • Dialga1.48
  • Groudon1.49
  • Rampardos1.50

The party these numbers assume

1. Eternatus
Dragon Tail + Dynamax Cannon
2. Palkia (Origin)
Dragon Tail + Spacial Rend
3. Baxcalibur
Dragon Breath + Glaive Rush
4. Kyurem (Black)
Dragon Tail + Freeze Shock
5. Rayquaza
Dragon Tail + Breaking Swipe
6. Dialga (Origin)
Dragon Breath + Roar of Time

See the full ranked counter list for Mega Charizard X · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.