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Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 4 to be safe — 3 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Arceus (Water)'s top six counters needs 2.56 trainers (round up: 3), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 3.15 (round up: 4). The raid timer is 300 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 11:47. No level in this range makes it soloable with a prepared party.
Arceus (Water) · Tier 5
water
Weak to
grasselectric
Boss CP
49,286
Boss HP
15,000
Raid timer
300s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Arceus (Water) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 205(4.49)5(4.29)5(4.82)19:436.0
Level 254(3.57)4(3.38)4(3.94)15:346.0
Level 304(3.24)3(2.92)4(3.48)13:256.0
Level 353(2.65)3(2.69)4(3.32)12:246.0
Level 403(2.42)3(2.56)4(3.15)11:476.0
Level 453(2.34)3(2.47)3(2.99)11:236.0
Level 503(2.23)3(2.39)3(2.89)10:596.0

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki2.42

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

3 trainers at level 40

  • Regieleki2.42
  • Kartana2.51
  • Zeraora2.52
  • Xurkitree2.54
  • Thundurus (Therian)2.64
  • Shaymin (Sky)2.74

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

4 trainers at level 40

  • Raikou3.02
  • Meowscarada3.02
  • Zapdos3.03
  • Magnezone3.05
  • Tapu Bulu3.09
  • Kyurem (Black)3.08

The party these numbers assume

1. Regieleki
Lock-On + Thunder Cage
2. Kartana
Razor Leaf + Leaf Blade
3. Zeraora
Volt Switch + Plasma Fists
4. Xurkitree
Thunder Shock + Discharge
5. Thundurus (Therian)
Volt Switch + Wildbolt Storm
6. Shaymin (Sky)
Magical Leaf + Grass Knot

See the full ranked counter list for Arceus (Water) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.