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Raid Hour · YveltalNext · 20h 10m

Group size estimator

How many trainers do I need to invite?

The Estimator is already "trainers of this attacker needed to finish inside the timer", so this page does not invent a number: it reads it off the boss's own ranked counter list for three realistic parties and re-simulates each of them at every level from 20 to 50.

Invite 2 to be safe — 1 if everyone is prepared

At level 40, a party of Arceus (Fairy)'s top six counters needs 0.76 trainers (round up: 1), and a mixed lobby of ranks 13-24 needs 1.05 (round up: 2). The raid timer is 180 seconds and one prepared trainer alone would take 2:14. A prepared solo becomes possible at level 25. A duo works from level 20.
Arceus (Fairy) · Tier 3
fairy
Weak to
poisonsteel
Boss CP
24,145
Boss HP
3,600
Raid timer
180s
Party used
6

Trainers needed, by attacker level

Scroll sideways for the mixed-lobby column.

Trainers needed to beat Arceus (Fairy) at each attacker level
Attacker levelSix of the best counterA prepared partyA mixed local groupPrepared solo timeFaints per timer
Level 201(0.89)2(1.08)2(1.50)3:105.2
Level 251(0.76)1(0.93)2(1.32)2:434.4
Level 301(0.71)1(0.84)2(1.17)2:273.5
Level 351(0.64)1(0.80)2(1.09)2:213.2
Level 401(0.62)1(0.76)2(1.05)2:142.8
Level 451(0.63)1(0.73)2(1.02)2:092.6
Level 501(0.58)1(0.71)1(0.99)2:052.4

Whole trainers in bold, the raw estimator in brackets — 2.04 means two trainers is right on the line and three is comfortable.

Six of the best counter

Every trainer brings six copies of the single best counter — the theoretical floor.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)0.62

A prepared party

Each trainer brings the boss's top six counters, powered up and correctly TM'd.

1 trainer at level 40

  • Zacian (Crowned Sword)0.62
  • Necrozma (Dusk Mane)0.63
  • Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)0.64
  • Eternatus0.85
  • Metagross0.88
  • Necrozma (Dawn Wings)0.95

A mixed local group

Ranks 13-24: reasonable but unoptimised parties, which is what a public lobby usually is.

2 trainers at level 40

  • Naganadel1.02
  • Genesect1.03
  • Genesect (Burn)1.03
  • Genesect (Chill)1.03
  • Genesect (Douse)1.03
  • Genesect (Shock)1.03

The party these numbers assume

1. Zacian (Crowned Sword)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Blade
2. Necrozma (Dusk Mane)
Metal Claw + Sunsteel Strike
3. Zamazenta (Crowned Shield)
Metal Claw + Behemoth Bash
4. Eternatus
Poison Jab + Sludge Bomb
5. Metagross
Bullet Punch + Meteor Mash
6. Necrozma (Dawn Wings)
Metal Claw + Moongeist Beam

See the full ranked counter list for Arceus (Fairy) · check a real lobby (win chance, who brings what) · make a share card of the top six

How this is worked out

The boss is ranked once at level 40 with rankCached (the same memoised call /raids makes), then the three bands — rank 1, ranks 1-6, ranks 13-24 — are re-simulated at each attacker level with an 8-run Monte Carlo each. Holding the party fixed and moving only its level is deliberate: it answers "what if my party were level 20" rather than "what would a level-20 player's completely different party be", and it is about ten times cheaper than re-ranking every attacker seven times. The Estimator itself is Pokebattler's definition, time to win including rejoin time divided by the raid timer.