Primal Groudon counters

#0383

ground firePrimal

Lobby CP

92,860

22,500

Timer

5:00

Attack

290

Defense

223

Difficulty

2.95

Pokebattler scale

Beating Primal Groudon should take 3 trainers with level 40 counters. Caught CP 2,260-2,351 (you catch Groudon).

Weak towater2.56xground1.6x

Who to bring

IncludeMega Legendary Shadow

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Weather

★ boosts a type this boss is weak to

No boost Sunny or clear ★Rainy ★Partly cloudy Cloudy Windy Snow Fog

Friendship

every trainer in the lobby who is your friend

None Good friend (+3%)Great friend (+5%)Ultra friend (+7%)Best friend (+10%)

Mega in the lobby

a Mega boosts every trainer's attacks: 1.3x of its own type, 1.1x of others

Try a Water Mega — most top counters attack with Water

Party Power

Party Play: the charged move after a full meter does 2x

Off 2 trainers 3 trainers 4 trainers

Adventure Effects

only these three change a raid

Behemoth Blade (+10% attack)Behemoth Bash (+10% defense)Dynamic Punch+ (+15% attack vs Mega)

Of the game's eleven Adventure Effects only Behemoth Blade (Crowned Sword Zacian), Behemoth Bash (Crowned Shield Zamazenta) and Dynamic Punch+ (Mega Mewtwo X) change a raid; Roar of Time, Spacial Rend, Freeze Shock, Ice Burn, Sunsteel Strike, Moongeist Beam, Future Sight+ and Dynamax Cannon act outside raids. Dynamic Punch+ only counts against a Mega boss, so it changes nothing here. Sources: the full list, Behemoth Blade / Bash, Dynamic Punch+.

Best counters

Mega, Legendary, Shadow · level 40

The best Primal Groudon counters are Mega Greninja, Shadow Kyogre, Shadow Kingler, Kyogre, Shadow Gyarados & Shadow Greninja.

Suggested party of sixat most one Mega

M. Greninja
S. Kyogre
S. Kingler
Kyogre
S. Gyarados
S. Greninja

5 more Megas ranked inside the top six — a party can hold only one Mega, so the best one stays and the next non-Mega takes the slot.

Ranked by Estimator (trainers needed); small print: time to winOrder byEstimatorOverall %

1Mega GreninjaMegapartyWater Shuriken / Surf+2.7512:47
2Primal KyogreMegaLegendaryWaterfall / Surf2.7712:52
3Mega StarmieMegaWater Gun / Liquidation+2.9613:47
4Shadow KyogreShadowLegendarypartyWaterfall / Surf2.9713:48
5Mega SwampertMegaWater Gun / Hydro Cannon2.9713:48
6Mega BlastoiseMegaWater Gun / Hydro Cannon3.3015:20
7Shadow KinglerShadowpartyBubble / Razor Shell3.4516:03
8KyogreLegendarypartyWaterfall / Surf3.4516:03
9Mega GyaradosMegaWaterfall / Aqua Tail3.4716:07
10Shadow GyaradosShadowpartyWaterfall / Aqua Tail3.4916:12
11Shadow GreninjaShadowpartyWater Shuriken / Hydro Cannon3.5216:22

More orders under All settings (Sort by). The top 15 in detail.

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Raid tier — Primal Raid

Super Mega Legendary Super Mega Primal Mega Legendary Mega Elite Shadow Tier 5 Tier 5 Shadow Tier 3 Tier 3 Shadow Tier 1 Tier 1 Tier 4 Tier 2

Related countersGroudon

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Top 15 Primal Groudon counters in detail

Click a row for damage per move, breakpoints and the energy cycle. Click a column to sort. All 30 ranked attackers, with every column, are under All settings.

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#	Attacker	Moveset
1	Mega Greninjawaterdarkjoint top pick	waterWater ShurikenwaterSurf+	3,784	12:47	2.75	6.0	39.7%
2	Primal Kyogrewaterjoint top pick	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	5,902	12:52	2.77	6.0	39.4%
3	Mega Starmiewaterpsychic	waterWater GunwaterLiquidation+	3,701	13:47	2.96	6.0	36.8%
4	Shadow Kyogrewater	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	4,115	13:48	2.97	6.0	36.7%
5	Mega Swampertwaterground	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	4,401	13:48	2.97	6.0	36.7%
6	Mega Blastoisewater	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	3,941	15:20	3.30	6.0	33.1%
7	Shadow Kinglerwater	waterBubblewaterRazor Shell	2,829	16:03	3.45	6.0	31.6%
8	Kyogrewater	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	4,115	16:03	3.45	6.0	31.6%
9	Mega Gyaradoswaterdark	waterWaterfallwaterAqua Tail	4,717	16:07	3.47	6.0	31.5%
10	Shadow Gyaradoswaterflying	waterWaterfallwaterAqua Tail	3,391	16:12	3.49	6.0	31.3%
11	Shadow Greninjawaterdark	waterWater ShurikenwaterHydro Cannon	2,654	16:22	3.52	6.0	31.0%
12	Golisopodbugwater	waterWaterfallwaterRazor Shell	3,162	16:33	3.56	6.0	30.6%
13	Primarinawaterfairy	waterWaterfallwaterHydro Cannon	3,200	17:35	3.78	6.0	28.8%
14	Gyaradoswaterflying	waterWaterfallwaterAqua Tail	3,391	17:40	3.80	6.0	28.7%
15	Mega Mewtwo Ypsychic	psychicPsycho CutpsychicFuture Sight+	6,428	17:42	3.81	6.0	28.7%

Ordered by Estimator alone, fewest trainers needed first. . The place badge names each row's Overall place on hover.

Times are one trainer with six copies of that attacker, level 40 at 15/15/15, no weather, no friendship, no dodging, Shadow / Mega / Legendary attackers hidden — the same defaults pokebattler.com's own counter pages open with. Open the full counter tool to change any of them. "Details" opens the per-move damage, breakpoints and energy cycle against Primal Groudon.

Estimator is how many trainers of this strength the fight needs. Power is the share of Primal Groudon's HP that six of that attacker remove inside one raid timer, so over 100% means they finish it with time to spare. Faints is how many of the six go down inside that timer.

“Joint top pick”: 2 attackers inside 2.1% of each other — this simulator's own accuracy against pokebattler.com (median 1.6% per attacker), so any of them is the right answer.

Hardest movesets to raid against

The same boss is a different fight depending on what it knows. Each row re-simulates the top 6 counters above against one specific moveset; the list is ordered hardest first, and clicking a row filters the whole page to that moveset — the ranking, the estimator and the share link all follow.

Boss moveset	Win % (3)	Overall	Power	Time to win	Faints	Estimator
Random (any moveset)showing	57%	23%	33.3%	15:13	6.0	3.27
Mud Shot / Solar Beam	3%	15%	27.9%	18:10	6.0	3.91
Dragon Tail / Solar Beam	10%	17%	29.4%	17:14	6.0	3.71
Mud Shot / Earthquake	51%	26%	32.6%	15:35	6.0	3.35
Dragon Tail / Earthquake	56%	25%	33.6%	15:06	6.0	3.25
Dragon Tail / Fire Blast	100%	33%	38.5%	13:11	6.0	2.83
Mud Shot / Fire Blast	100%	36%	39.3%	12:53	6.0	2.77

Measured over the top 6 attackers on the list above rather than by re-ranking the whole roster once per moveset — the ordering is what the table is for, and a full re-rank per moveset would cost ten times the page's whole simulation budget. Win % is the share of runs 3 trainers of those attackers finish inside the raid timer. Overall is Pokebattler's published blend on its own absolute scale (higher is easier), not a percentage of the best row the way the ranked table's Overall column is — which is why an easy boss reads well above 100% here.

Simulating each boss moveset…

Primal Groudon weaknesses and resistances

Every one of the 18 attacking types against this boss's typing. GO multipliers: 1.6x super effective, 2.56x doubly, 0.625x resisted, 0.39x doubly resisted.

water2.56x ground1.6x normal1x fighting1x flying1x rock1x ghost1x grass1x psychic1x ice1x dragon1x dark1x poison0.63x bug0.63x steel0.63x fire0.63x fairy0.63x electric0.39x

Double weak (1)
Weak (1)
Neutral (10)
Resists (6)

It resists electric0.39xpoison0.625xbug0.625xsteel0.625xfire0.625xfairy0.625x— bringing one of those is throwing damage away.

What Primal Groudon throws at you

Its standard movepool, with the damage window a dodge has to beat.

Fast moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
dragonDragon Tail	14	+8	1.0s	0.75s
groundMud ShotSTAB	4	+6	0.5s	0.25s

Charged moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
groundEarthquakeSTAB	140	-100	3.5s	2.60s
fireFire BlastSTAB	140	-100	4.0s	2.90s
grassSolar Beam	180	-100	5.0s	2.80s

Catch CP

What the encounter after the fight can hand you.

IV spread	CP at L20	CP at L25 (weather boosted)
10/10/10floor	2,260	2,825
11/11/11	2,278	2,848
12/12/12	2,296	2,871
13/13/13	2,315	2,893
14/14/14	2,333	2,916
15/15/15hundo	2,351	2,939

Caught CP range 2,260 - 2,351, or 2,825 - 2,939 when the weather boosts it.

A raid encounter is level 20 (level 25 weather boosted) and cannot roll an IV below 10/10/10. Anything outside the first range is not this raid's reward.

When it is in raids

From the raid schedule, refreshed daily.

Primal Groudon is not on the raid schedule right now. The simulation above is still exact for the tier chosen — any boss can be simulated, current or not.

All settings

Primal: 22,500 HP, 5:00 timer, boss Attack 290 / Defense 223 (15/15/15 at tier CPM 0.79).

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Attackers allowed

ShadowMega and PrimalLegendary, Mythical, Ultra BeastLegacy and Elite TM moves

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Every column, and pokebattler.com's own rank

On a phone the list shows estimator, time to win and faints. Overall, Power, win chance, CP, DPS and TDO appear on a wider screen.

#	Attacker	Moveset	Overall	Power	Est.Estimator	TimeTime to win	Faints	Win % (3)	CP	DPS	TDO
1	Mega Greninja top pickwaterdarkmega Water Shuriken / Surf+	Water Shuriken / Surf++17 more movesets	99%	39.7%	2.75	12:47	62.5	78%	3,784	33.8	451
2	Primal Kyogre top pickwatermega Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	100%	39.4%	2.77	12:52	53.1	68%	5,902	32.5	567
3	Mega Starmie waterpsychicmega Water Gun / Liquidation+	Water Gun / Liquidation++44 more movesets	92%	36.8%	2.96	13:47	65.5	68%	3,701	32.1	460
4	Shadow Kyogre watershadow Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	91%	36.7%	2.97	13:48	64.0	68%	4,115	30.5	412
5	Mega Swampert watergroundmega Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	92%	36.7%	2.97	13:48	57.9	68%	4,401	30.9	539
6	Mega Blastoise watermega Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	82%	33.1%	3.30	15:20	66.4	68%	3,941	27.9	443
7	Shadow Kingler watershadow Bubble / Razor Shell	Bubble / Razor Shell+14 more movesets	75%	31.6%	3.45	16:03	93.8	34%	2,829	26.9	265
8	Kyogre water Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	78%	31.6%	3.45	16:03	68.3	68%	4,115	26.1	423
9	Mega Gyarados waterdarkmega Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	78%	31.5%	3.47	16:07	66.7	68%	4,717	25.8	444
10	Shadow Gyarados waterflyingshadow Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	77%	31.3%	3.49	16:12	67.3	68%	3,391	25.7	433
11	Shadow Greninja waterdarkshadow Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon	Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	74%	31.0%	3.52	16:22	91.6	34%	2,654	26.2	268
12	Golisopod bugwater Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+19 more movesets	77%	30.6%	3.56	16:33	59.4	0%	3,162	24.5	394
13	Primarina waterfairy Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	70%	28.8%	3.78	17:35	81.5	26%	3,200	24.3	337
14	Gyarados waterflying Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	72%	28.7%	3.80	17:40	55.9	0%	3,391	22.7	431
15	Mega Mewtwo Y psychicmega Psycho Cut / Future Sight+	Psycho Cut / Future Sight++26 more movesets	72%	28.7%	3.81	17:42	54.1	0%	6,428	22.7	431
16	Shadow Samurott watershadow Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	68%	28.6%	3.81	17:43	96.0	34%	2,826	24.8	297
17	Shadow Hisuian Samurott waterdarkshadow Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+14 more movesets	67%	28.2%	3.86	17:58	102.5	34%	2,802	24.3	272
18	Inteleon water Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+9 more movesets	67%	28.1%	3.88	18:01	100.9	34%	2,964	24.4	273
19	Shadow Swampert watergroundshadow Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	66%	27.9%	3.91	18:10	99.5	34%	2,974	24.2	293
20	Shadow Feraligatr watershadow Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	66%	27.8%	3.93	18:16	100.1	34%	2,857	24.0	289
21	Swampert waterground Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	66%	27.4%	3.99	18:32	86.0	2%	2,974	23.2	326
22	Greninja waterdark Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon	Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	65%	27.2%	4.01	18:37	98.4	34%	2,654	23.1	277
23	Kingler water Bubble / Razor Shell	Bubble / Razor Shell+14 more movesets	63%	26.8%	4.08	18:57	105.9	8%	2,829	22.7	253
24	Shadow Milotic watershadow Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+9 more movesets	64%	26.5%	4.11	19:07	88.3	0%	3,005	22.1	302
25	Shadow Crawdaunt waterdarkshadow Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+11 more movesets	60%	26.1%	4.18	19:25	124.2	0%	2,474	22.3	191
26	Quaquaval waterfighting Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+17 more movesets	59%	25.2%	4.33	20:07	110.5	34%	3,018	21.9	265
27	Feraligatr water Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	60%	25.1%	4.35	20:14	94.1	0%	2,857	21.2	295
28	Mega Slowbro waterpsychicmega Water Gun / Surf	Water Gun / Surf+11 more movesets	60%	25.0%	4.36	20:17	84.8	0%	3,755	20.8	368
29	Shadow Empoleon watersteelshadow Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	54%	23.8%	4.59	21:19	136.0	0%	2,900	20.3	175
30	Shadow Krabby watershadow Bubble / Razor Shell	Bubble / Razor Shell+7 more movesets	51%	22.6%	4.83	22:27	144.0	0%	1,561	19.3	164

How accurate is this? Same top pick as pokebattler.com on 26 of 27 lists checked, 90% of its top tens shared; weakest on Mewtwo's default list (7 of 10).

Ranking. Our full ranking against the page pokebattler.com serves for the same boss and settings, on 27 boss and filter combinations read live (2026-10-04): 242 of 270 top-ten places shared, the same #1 on 26. On the six fixed reference bosses (read 2026-10-03): 85% top-ten overlap with its default filters, 83% with Shadow, Mega and Legendary on. A close top three is shown as a tie because the order inside it is below what we can measure.

Time to win. Graded with Pokebattler's own movesets against every boss moveset, average per boss: Tier 1 and 3 +0.1% to +1.2%; Tier 5 −2.9% to +1.3%; Mega −1.1% to +2.6%; Shadow Tier 5 −1.8% to +0.3%. One attacker can be off by more: median 1.6%, worst 15%, RMS per boss moveset 2.05%.

Known weak spots.

Mewtwo (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of Pokebattler's top 10: Absol, Incineroar and Salamence sit just outside ours, Polteageist, Cursola and Hisuian Typhlosion just inside.
Groudon (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of 10; its Grass and Water counters run 2-6% fast here.
Tier 5 times run about 2-3% fast for attackers that faint often, and 2-3% slow on Mega Charizard Y and Mega Beedrill, whose counters resist the boss.
Tier 1 lists are the least checked: Combee (Tier 1) shares only 3 of Pokebattler's top 10, with Gigalith first here where Pokebattler puts Rhyperior.

Boss-by-boss accuracy report.

Ranked 30 attackers in 1.7 s (50 Monte Carlo runs each, seed 1). The same ranking as JSON: /api/raids/rank.