Primal Groudon counters

#0383

ground fireMega

Lobby CP

58,730

9,000

Timer

5:00

Attack

290

Defense

223

Difficulty

1.07

Pokebattler scale

Beating Primal Groudon should take 1 trainer with level 40 counters. Caught CP 2,260-2,351 (you catch Groudon).

Weak towater2.56xground1.6x

Who to bring

IncludeMega Legendary Shadow

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Weather

★ boosts a type this boss is weak to

No boost Sunny or clear ★Rainy ★Partly cloudy Cloudy Windy Snow Fog

Friendship

every trainer in the lobby who is your friend

None Good friend (+3%)Great friend (+5%)Ultra friend (+7%)Best friend (+10%)

Mega in the lobby

a Mega boosts every trainer's attacks: 1.3x of its own type, 1.1x of others

Try a Water Mega — most top counters attack with Water

Party Power

Party Play: the charged move after a full meter does 2x

Off 2 trainers 3 trainers 4 trainers

Adventure Effects

only these three change a raid

Behemoth Blade (+10% attack)Behemoth Bash (+10% defense)Dynamic Punch+ (+15% attack vs Mega)

Of the game's eleven Adventure Effects only Behemoth Blade (Crowned Sword Zacian), Behemoth Bash (Crowned Shield Zamazenta) and Dynamic Punch+ (Mega Mewtwo X) change a raid; Roar of Time, Spacial Rend, Freeze Shock, Ice Burn, Sunsteel Strike, Moongeist Beam, Future Sight+ and Dynamax Cannon act outside raids. Dynamic Punch+ also breaks two Super Mega shields at once; that part is not simulated. Sources: the full list, Behemoth Blade / Bash, Dynamic Punch+.

Best counters

Mega, Legendary, Shadow · level 40

The best Primal Groudon counters are Mega Greninja, Shadow Kyogre, Shadow Kingler, Shadow Greninja, Shadow Gyarados & Kyogre.

Suggested party of sixat most one Mega

M. Greninja
S. Kyogre
S. Kingler
S. Greninja
S. Gyarados
Kyogre

5 more Megas ranked inside the top six — a party can hold only one Mega, so the best one stays and the next non-Mega takes the slot.

Ranked by Estimator (trainers needed); small print: time to winOrder byEstimatorOverall %

1Mega GreninjaMegapartyWater Shuriken / Surf+0.954:24
2Mega StarmieMegaWater Gun / Liquidation+0.984:32
3Primal KyogreMegaLegendaryWaterfall / Surf1.054:54
4Mega SwampertMegaWater Gun / Hydro Cannon1.105:07
5Shadow KyogreShadowLegendarypartyWaterfall / Surf1.145:19
6Mega BlastoiseMegaWater Gun / Hydro Cannon1.225:41
7Shadow KinglerShadowpartyBubble / Crabhammer1.296:00
8Shadow GreninjaShadowpartyWater Shuriken / Hydro Cannon1.306:04
9Mega GyaradosMegaWaterfall / Aqua Tail1.326:07
10Shadow GyaradosShadowpartyWaterfall / Aqua Tail1.336:10
11KyogreLegendarypartyWaterfall / Surf1.336:11

More orders under All settings (Sort by). The top 15 in detail.

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Top 15 Primal Groudon counters in detail

Click a row for damage per move, breakpoints and the energy cycle. Click a column to sort. All 30 ranked attackers, with every column, are under All settings.

Trainers1soloable

#	Attacker	Moveset
1	Mega Greninjawaterdarkjoint top pick	waterWater ShurikenwaterSurf+	3,784	4:24	0.95	6.0	115.2%
2	Mega Starmiewaterpsychic	waterWater GunwaterLiquidation+	3,701	4:32	0.98	6.0	111.7%
3	Primal Kyogrewater	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	5,902	4:54	1.05	6.0	103.5%
4	Mega Swampertwaterground	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	4,401	5:07	1.10	6.0	99.0%
5	Shadow Kyogrewater	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	4,115	5:19	1.14	6.0	95.3%
6	Mega Blastoisewater	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	3,941	5:41	1.22	6.0	89.4%
7	Shadow Kinglerwater	waterBubblewaterCrabhammer	2,829	6:00	1.29	6.0	84.6%
8	Shadow Greninjawaterdark	waterWater ShurikenwaterHydro Cannon	2,654	6:04	1.30	6.0	83.7%
9	Mega Gyaradoswaterdark	waterWaterfallwaterAqua Tail	4,717	6:07	1.32	6.0	82.9%
10	Shadow Gyaradoswaterflying	waterWaterfallwaterAqua Tail	3,391	6:10	1.33	6.0	82.2%
11	Kyogrewater	waterWaterfallwaterSurf	4,115	6:11	1.33	6.0	81.9%
12	Shadow Swampertwaterground	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	2,974	6:18	1.35	6.0	80.6%
13	Inteleonwater	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	2,964	6:19	1.36	6.0	80.4%
14	Shadow Feraligatrwater	waterWater GunwaterHydro Cannon	2,857	6:20	1.36	6.0	80.0%
15	Shadow Hisuian Samurottwaterdark	waterWaterfallwaterRazor Shell	2,802	6:26	1.39	6.0	78.8%

Ordered by Estimator alone, fewest trainers needed first. . The place badge names each row's Overall place on hover.

Times are one trainer with six copies of that attacker, level 40 at 15/15/15, no weather, no friendship, no dodging, Shadow / Mega / Legendary attackers hidden — the same defaults pokebattler.com's own counter pages open with. Open the full counter tool to change any of them. "Details" opens the per-move damage, breakpoints and energy cycle against Primal Groudon.

Estimator is how many trainers of this strength the fight needs. Power is the share of Primal Groudon's HP that six of that attacker remove inside one raid timer, so over 100% means they finish it with time to spare. Faints is how many of the six go down inside that timer.

Hardest movesets to raid against

The same boss is a different fight depending on what it knows. Each row re-simulates the top 6 counters above against one specific moveset; the list is ordered hardest first, and clicking a row filters the whole page to that moveset — the ranking, the estimator and the share link all follow.

Boss moveset	Win % (1)	Overall	Power	Time to win	Faints	Estimator
Random (any moveset)showing	25%	71%	89.1%	5:42	6.0	1.22
Mud Shot / Solar Beam	11%	50%	75.4%	6:43	6.0	1.45
Dragon Tail / Solar Beam	11%	54%	79.9%	6:21	6.0	1.36
Mud Shot / Earthquake	31%	84%	90.8%	5:35	6.0	1.20
Dragon Tail / Earthquake	18%	76%	91.7%	5:32	6.0	1.19
Dragon Tail / Fire Blast	33%	90%	96.9%	5:14	6.0	1.13
Mud Shot / Fire Blast	35%	100%	99.4%	5:06	6.0	1.10

Measured over the top 6 attackers on the list above rather than by re-ranking the whole roster once per moveset — the ordering is what the table is for, and a full re-rank per moveset would cost ten times the page's whole simulation budget. Win % is the share of runs 1 trainers of those attackers finish inside the raid timer. Overall is Pokebattler's published blend on its own absolute scale (higher is easier), not a percentage of the best row the way the ranked table's Overall column is — which is why an easy boss reads well above 100% here.

Simulating each boss moveset…

Primal Groudon weaknesses and resistances

Every one of the 18 attacking types against this boss's typing. GO multipliers: 1.6x super effective, 2.56x doubly, 0.625x resisted, 0.39x doubly resisted.

water2.56x ground1.6x normal1x fighting1x flying1x rock1x ghost1x grass1x psychic1x ice1x dragon1x dark1x poison0.63x bug0.63x steel0.63x fire0.63x fairy0.63x electric0.39x

Double weak (1)
Weak (1)
Neutral (10)
Resists (6)

It resists electric0.39xpoison0.625xbug0.625xsteel0.625xfire0.625xfairy0.625x— bringing one of those is throwing damage away.

What Primal Groudon throws at you

Its standard movepool, with the damage window a dodge has to beat.

Fast moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
dragonDragon Tail	14	+8	1.0s	0.75s
groundMud ShotSTAB	4	+6	0.5s	0.25s

Charged moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
groundEarthquakeSTAB	140	-100	3.5s	2.60s
fireFire BlastSTAB	140	-100	4.0s	2.90s
grassSolar Beam	180	-100	5.0s	2.80s

Catch CP

What the encounter after the fight can hand you.

IV spread	CP at L20	CP at L25 (weather boosted)
10/10/10floor	2,260	2,825
11/11/11	2,278	2,848
12/12/12	2,296	2,871
13/13/13	2,315	2,893
14/14/14	2,333	2,916
15/15/15hundo	2,351	2,939

Caught CP range 2,260 - 2,351, or 2,825 - 2,939 when the weather boosts it.

A raid encounter is level 20 (level 25 weather boosted) and cannot roll an IV below 10/10/10. Anything outside the first range is not this raid's reward.

When it is in raids

From the raid schedule, refreshed daily.

Primal Groudon is not on the raid schedule right now. The simulation above is still exact for the tier chosen — any boss can be simulated, current or not.

All settings

Mega: 9,000 HP, 5:00 timer, boss Attack 290 / Defense 223 (15/15/15 at tier CPM 0.79).

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Attackers allowed

ShadowMega and PrimalLegendary, Mythical, Ultra BeastLegacy and Elite TM moves

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Every column, and pokebattler.com's own rank

On a phone the list shows estimator, time to win and faints. Overall, Power, win chance, CP, DPS and TDO appear on a wider screen.

#	Attacker	Moveset	Overall	Power	Est.Estimator	TimeTime to win	Faints	Win % (1)	CP	DPS	TDO
1	Mega Greninja waterdarkmega Water Shuriken / Surf+	Water Shuriken / Surf++17 more movesets	100%	115.2%	0.95	4:24	16.4	94%	3,784	37.3	596
2	Mega Starmie waterpsychicmega Water Gun / Liquidation+	Water Gun / Liquidation++44 more movesets	97%	111.7%	0.98	4:32	16.9	78%	3,701	36.0	595
3	Primal Kyogre watermega Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	89%	103.5%	1.05	4:54	17.1	68%	5,902	33.2	646
4	Mega Swampert watergroundmega Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	85%	99.0%	1.10	5:07	17.4	68%	4,401	32.0	606
5	Shadow Kyogre watershadow Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	80%	95.3%	1.14	5:19	21.7	56%	4,115	30.9	463
6	Mega Blastoise watermega Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	76%	89.4%	1.22	5:41	19.8	10%	3,941	28.8	507
7	Shadow Kingler watershadow Bubble / Crabhammer	Bubble / Crabhammer+14 more movesets	69%	84.6%	1.29	5:60	28.2	0%	2,829	27.7	330
8	Shadow Greninja waterdarkshadow Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon	Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	68%	83.7%	1.30	6:04	29.9	0%	2,654	27.7	312
9	Mega Gyarados waterdarkmega Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	70%	82.9%	1.32	6:07	20.6	0%	4,717	26.4	538
10	Shadow Gyarados waterflyingshadow Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	69%	82.2%	1.33	6:10	21.4	0%	3,391	26.2	510
11	Kyogre water Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+5 more movesets	68%	81.9%	1.33	6:11	23.1	0%	4,115	26.4	461
12	Shadow Swampert watergroundshadow Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	67%	80.6%	1.35	6:18	26.1	0%	2,974	26.3	384
13	Inteleon water Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+9 more movesets	66%	80.4%	1.36	6:19	27.5	0%	2,964	26.3	348
14	Shadow Feraligatr watershadow Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	66%	80.0%	1.36	6:20	26.4	0%	2,857	26.1	378
15	Shadow Hisuian Samurott waterdarkshadow Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+14 more movesets	64%	78.8%	1.39	6:26	29.8	0%	2,802	25.9	333
16	Shadow Samurott watershadow Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+11 more movesets	64%	78.2%	1.40	6:29	29.7	0%	2,826	25.7	340
17	Golisopod bugwater Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+19 more movesets	65%	77.4%	1.41	6:33	20.4	0%	3,162	24.3	453
18	Primarina waterfairy Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	63%	76.4%	1.43	6:38	26.3	0%	3,200	24.9	390
19	Shadow Crawdaunt waterdarkshadow Waterfall / Razor Shell	Waterfall / Razor Shell+11 more movesets	58%	73.6%	1.48	6:53	36.8	0%	2,474	24.5	253
20	Greninja waterdark Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon	Water Shuriken / Hydro Cannon+14 more movesets	59%	73.3%	1.49	6:55	32.1	0%	2,654	24.2	311
21	Quaquaval waterfighting Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+17 more movesets	60%	73.2%	1.49	6:56	28.5	0%	3,018	23.9	349
22	Swampert waterground Water Gun / Hydro Cannon	Water Gun / Hydro Cannon+11 more movesets	60%	73.1%	1.49	6:56	25.8	0%	2,974	23.7	387
23	Gyarados waterflying Waterfall / Aqua Tail	Waterfall / Aqua Tail+23 more movesets	62%	72.9%	1.50	6:58	18.9	0%	3,391	22.8	503
24	Kingler water Bubble / Crabhammer	Bubble / Crabhammer+14 more movesets	58%	71.8%	1.52	7:04	30.8	0%	2,829	23.5	317
25	Mega Mewtwo Y psychicmega Psycho Cut / Future Sight+	Psycho Cut / Future Sight++26 more movesets	61%	71.3%	1.53	7:07	18.5	0%	6,428	22.3	489
26	Shadow Empoleon watersteelshadow Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	55%	69.1%	1.58	7:20	37.5	0%	2,900	22.9	248
27	Shadow Milotic watershadow Waterfall / Surf	Waterfall / Surf+9 more movesets	56%	68.8%	1.59	7:22	29.9	0%	3,005	22.3	341
28	Feraligatr water Waterfall / Hydro Cannon	Waterfall / Hydro Cannon+19 more movesets	55%	67.9%	1.61	7:28	30.2	0%	2,857	22.1	335
29	Mega Slowbro waterpsychicmega Water Gun / Surf	Water Gun / Surf+11 more movesets	55%	66.7%	1.64	7:36	25.6	0%	3,755	21.5	440
30	Mega Garchomp dragongroundmega Mud Shot / Earth Power	Mud Shot / Earth Power+13 more movesets	56%	66.5%	1.64	7:38	21.7	0%	5,424	20.9	434

How accurate is this? Same top pick as pokebattler.com on 26 of 27 lists checked, 90% of its top tens shared; weakest on Mewtwo's default list (7 of 10).

Ranking. Our full ranking against the page pokebattler.com serves for the same boss and settings, on 27 boss and filter combinations read live (2026-10-04): 242 of 270 top-ten places shared, the same #1 on 26. On the six fixed reference bosses (read 2026-10-03): 85% top-ten overlap with its default filters, 83% with Shadow, Mega and Legendary on. A close top three is shown as a tie because the order inside it is below what we can measure.

Time to win. Graded with Pokebattler's own movesets against every boss moveset, average per boss: Tier 1 and 3 +0.1% to +1.2%; Tier 5 −2.9% to +1.3%; Mega −1.1% to +2.6%; Shadow Tier 5 −1.8% to +0.3%. One attacker can be off by more: median 1.6%, worst 15%, RMS per boss moveset 2.05%.

Known weak spots.

Mewtwo (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of Pokebattler's top 10: Absol, Incineroar and Salamence sit just outside ours, Polteageist, Cursola and Hisuian Typhlosion just inside.
Groudon (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of 10; its Grass and Water counters run 2-6% fast here.
Tier 5 times run about 2-3% fast for attackers that faint often, and 2-3% slow on Mega Charizard Y and Mega Beedrill, whose counters resist the boss.
Tier 1 lists are the least checked: Combee (Tier 1) shares only 3 of Pokebattler's top 10, with Gigalith first here where Pokebattler puts Rhyperior.

This boss on pokebattler.com. Boss-by-boss accuracy report.

Ranked 30 attackers in 0.7 s (50 Monte Carlo runs each, seed 1). Same boss on pokebattler.com. The same ranking as JSON: /api/raids/rank.