Thundurus (Incarnate) counters

#0642

electric flyingTier 5In raids until Tue 6 Oct, 22:00

Lobby CP

46,044

15,000

Timer

5:00

Attack

221

Defense

141

Difficulty

1.66

Pokebattler scale

Beating Thundurus (Incarnate) should take 2 trainers with level 40 counters. Caught CP 1,828-1,911.

Weak torock1.6xice1.6x

Who to bring

IncludeMega Legendary Shadow

Improve your raidweather · friendship · Mega in the lobby · Party Power · Adventure EffectsShow ▾

Weather

★ boosts a type this boss is weak to

No boost Sunny or clear Rainy Partly cloudy ★Cloudy Windy Snow ★Fog

Friendship

every trainer in the lobby who is your friend

None Good friend (+3%)Great friend (+5%)Ultra friend (+7%)Best friend (+10%)

Mega in the lobby

a Mega boosts every trainer's attacks: 1.3x of its own type, 1.1x of others

Try an Ice Mega — most top counters attack with Ice

Party Power

Party Play: the charged move after a full meter does 2x

Off 2 trainers 3 trainers 4 trainers

Adventure Effects

only these three change a raid

Behemoth Blade (+10% attack)Behemoth Bash (+10% defense)Dynamic Punch+ (+15% attack vs Mega)

Of the game's eleven Adventure Effects only Behemoth Blade (Crowned Sword Zacian), Behemoth Bash (Crowned Shield Zamazenta) and Dynamic Punch+ (Mega Mewtwo X) change a raid; Roar of Time, Spacial Rend, Freeze Shock, Ice Burn, Sunsteel Strike, Moongeist Beam, Future Sight+ and Dynamax Cannon act outside raids. Dynamic Punch+ only counts against a Mega boss, so it changes nothing here. Sources: the full list, Behemoth Blade / Bash, Dynamic Punch+.

Best counters

Mega, Legendary, Shadow · level 40

The best Thundurus (Incarnate) counters are Kyurem (White), Mega Mewtwo Y, Kyurem (Black), Shadow Rhyperior, Shadow Rampardos & Shadow Galarian Darmanitan (Standard).

Suggested party of sixat most one Mega

Kyurem (White)
M. Mewtwo Y
Kyurem (Black)
S. Rhyperior
S. Rampardos
S. Galarian Darmanitan (Standard)

1 more Mega ranked inside the top six — a party can hold only one Mega, so the best one stays and the next non-Mega takes the slot.

Ranked by Estimator (trainers needed); small print: time to winOrder byEstimatorOverall %

1Kyurem (White)LegendarypartyIce Fang / Ice Burn1.506:55
2Mega Mewtwo YMegaLegendarypartyPsycho Cut / Future Sight+1.557:09
3Kyurem (Black)LegendarypartyDragon Tail / Freeze Shock1.647:33
4Mega DiancieMegaLegendaryRock Throw / Rock Slide1.737:57
5Shadow RhyperiorShadowpartySmack Down / Rock Wrecker1.748:02
6Shadow RampardosShadowpartySmack Down / Rock Slide1.778:10
7Shadow Galarian Darmanitan (Standard)ShadowpartyIce Fang / Avalanche1.788:12
8Mega Mewtwo XMegaLegendaryPsycho Cut / Ice Beam1.798:15
9Shadow TyrantrumShadowRock Throw / Meteor Beam1.818:20
10Shadow MamoswineShadowPowder Snow / Avalanche1.828:23

More orders under All settings (Sort by). The top 15 in detail.

Build and order a party of six →Plan your raid lobby →

Best from your Pokebox

Pokebox

The Pokebox saved in this browser · each at its own level, IVs and moves.

Search bosses

Type a name, then Enter or click a result

Raid tier — Legendary Raid

Super Mega Legendary Super Mega Primal Mega Legendary Mega Elite Shadow Tier 5 Tier 5 Shadow Tier 3 Tier 3 Shadow Tier 1 Tier 1 Tier 4 Tier 2

Raid alerts…

Top 15 Thundurus (Incarnate) counters in detail

Click a row for damage per move, breakpoints and the energy cycle. Click a column to sort. All 30 ranked attackers, with every column, are under All settings.

Trainers2duo

#	Attacker	Moveset
1	Kyurem (White)dragonicejoint top pick	iceIce FangiceIce Burn	4,605	6:55	1.50	5.9	73.3%
2	Mega Mewtwo Ypsychic	psychicPsycho CutpsychicFuture Sight+	6,428	7:09	1.55	5.6	70.9%
3	Kyurem (Black)dragonice	dragonDragon TailiceFreeze Shock	4,605	7:33	1.64	6.0	67.1%
4	Mega Diancierockfairy	rockRock ThrowrockRock Slide	4,346	7:57	1.73	6.0	63.8%
5	Shadow Rhyperiorgroundrock	rockSmack DownrockRock Wrecker	3,733	8:02	1.74	5.5	63.1%
6	Shadow Rampardosrock	rockSmack DownrockRock Slide	3,298	8:10	1.77	6.0	62.1%
7	Shadow Galarian Darmanitan (Standard)ice	iceIce FangiceAvalanche	3,105	8:12	1.78	6.0	61.8%
8	Mega Mewtwo Xpsychicfighting	psychicPsycho CuticeIce Beam	6,112	8:15	1.79	5.6	61.5%
9	Shadow Tyrantrumrockdragon	rockRock ThrowrockMeteor Beam	3,128	8:20	1.81	6.0	60.8%
10	Shadow Mamoswineiceground	icePowder SnowiceAvalanche	3,328	8:23	1.82	5.9	60.5%
11	Shadow Gigalithrock	normalLock-OnrockMeteor Beam	3,228	8:29	1.84	6.0	59.7%
12	Mega Tyranitarrockdark	rockSmack DownrockStone Edge	5,347	8:42	1.89	5.5	58.3%
13	Mega Aerodactylrockflying	rockRock ThrowrockRock Slide	4,118	8:54	1.93	6.0	57.0%
14	Shadow Regigigasnormal	normalHidden PowernormalCrush Grip	4,346	8:58	1.95	6.0	56.5%
15	Mega Delphoxfirepsychic	fireFire SpinfireMystical Fire+	4,783	8:59	1.95	5.8	56.4%

Ordered by Estimator alone, fewest trainers needed first. . The place badge names each row's Overall place on hover.

Times are one trainer with six copies of that attacker, level 40 at 15/15/15, no weather, no friendship, no dodging, Shadow / Mega / Legendary attackers hidden — the same defaults pokebattler.com's own counter pages open with. Open the full counter tool to change any of them. "Details" opens the per-move damage, breakpoints and energy cycle against Thundurus (Incarnate).

Estimator is how many trainers of this strength the fight needs. Power is the share of Thundurus (Incarnate)'s HP that six of that attacker remove inside one raid timer, so over 100% means they finish it with time to spare. Faints is how many of the six go down inside that timer.

Hardest movesets to raid against

The same boss is a different fight depending on what it knows. Each row re-simulates the top 6 counters above against one specific moveset; the list is ordered hardest first, and clicking a row filters the whole page to that moveset — the ranking, the estimator and the share link all follow.

Boss moveset	Win % (2)	Overall	Power	Time to win	Faints	Estimator
Random (any moveset)showing	100%	95%	65.8%	7:42	5.8	1.67
Astonish / Thunder	100%	94%	65.1%	7:47	6.0	1.69
Astonish / Brick Break	100%	97%	65.5%	7:44	5.8	1.68
Thunder Shock / Brick Break	100%	100%	65.8%	7:42	5.7	1.68
Astonish / Crunch	100%	90%	66.0%	7:40	6.0	1.67
Thunder Shock / Thunder	100%	99%	66.3%	7:38	6.0	1.66
Thunder Shock / Crunch	100%	91%	66.7%	7:36	6.0	1.65
Astonish / Thunder Punch	100%	121%	67.2%	7:33	5.7	1.64
Thunder Shock / Thunder Punch	100%	125%	67.5%	7:31	5.6	1.63

Measured over the top 6 attackers on the list above rather than by re-ranking the whole roster once per moveset — the ordering is what the table is for, and a full re-rank per moveset would cost ten times the page's whole simulation budget. Win % is the share of runs 2 trainers of those attackers finish inside the raid timer. Overall is Pokebattler's published blend on its own absolute scale (higher is easier), not a percentage of the best row the way the ranked table's Overall column is — which is why an easy boss reads well above 100% here.

Simulating each boss moveset…

Thundurus (Incarnate) weaknesses and resistances

Every one of the 18 attacking types against this boss's typing. GO multipliers: 1.6x super effective, 2.56x doubly, 0.625x resisted, 0.39x doubly resisted.

rock1.6x ice1.6x normal1x poison1x ghost1x fire1x water1x electric1x psychic1x dragon1x dark1x fairy1x fighting0.63x flying0.63x ground0.63x bug0.63x steel0.63x grass0.63x

Weak (2)
Neutral (10)
Resists (6)

It resists fighting0.625xflying0.625xground0.625xbug0.625xsteel0.625xgrass0.625x— bringing one of those is throwing damage away.

What Thundurus (Incarnate) throws at you

Its standard movepool, with the damage window a dodge has to beat.

Fast moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
electricThunder ShockSTAB	4	+7	0.5s	0.20s
ghostAstonish	7	+13	1.0s	0.60s

Charged moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
electricThunderSTAB	100	-100	2.5s	1.30s
electricThunder PunchSTAB	50	-33	2.0s	1.90s
fightingBrick Break	40	-33	1.5s	0.70s
darkCrunch	65	-33	3.0s	1.10s

Catch CP

What the encounter after the fight can hand you.

IV spread	CP at L20	CP at L25 (weather boosted)
10/10/10floor	1,828	2,285
11/11/11	1,844	2,306
12/12/12	1,861	2,326
13/13/13	1,878	2,347
14/14/14	1,894	2,368
15/15/15hundo	1,911	2,389

Caught CP range 1,828 - 1,911, or 2,285 - 2,389 when the weather boosts it.

A raid encounter is level 20 (level 25 weather boosted) and cannot roll an IV below 10/10/10. Anything outside the first range is not this raid's reward.

LeekDuck publishes 1,762 - 1,911 normal and 2,203 - 2,389 boosted for this boss — which is not what our stat line gives, so one of the two is out of date. Trust the published band at the catch screen until this page is fixed.

When it is in raids

From the raid schedule, refreshed daily.

in raids nowShadow Thundurus (Incarnate)Shadow Tier 5Shadowshiny availableWed 9 Sept, 06:00 – Tue 6 Oct, 22:00 · ends in 1 day

All settings

Tier 5: 15,000 HP, 5:00 timer, boss Attack 221 / Defense 141 (15/15/15 at tier CPM 0.79).

Raid bossAttacker levelAttacker IVsWeatherFriendshipDodgingTrainers in the lobbyMega in the lobbyParty Play trainersBoss fast moveBoss charged moveSort by

Attackers allowed

ShadowMega and PrimalLegendary, Mythical, Ultra BeastLegacy and Elite TM moves

Share these exact settings

Every column, and pokebattler.com's own rank

On a phone the list shows estimator, time to win and faints. Overall, Power, win chance, CP, DPS and TDO appear on a wider screen.

#	Attacker	Moveset	Overall	Power	Est.Estimator	TimeTime to win	Faints	Win % (2)	CP	DPS	TDO
1	Kyurem (White) dragonice Ice Fang / Ice Burn	Ice Fang / Ice Burn+17 more movesets	100%	73.3%	1.50	6:55	10.7	100%	4,605	37.4	1282
2	Mega Mewtwo Y psychicmega Psycho Cut / Future Sight+	Psycho Cut / Future Sight++26 more movesets	96%	70.9%	1.55	7:09	11.4	100%	6,428	36.3	1313
3	Kyurem (Black) dragonice Dragon Tail / Freeze Shock	Dragon Tail / Freeze Shock+11 more movesets	91%	67.1%	1.64	7:33	11.2	100%	4,605	34.2	1227
4	Mega Diancie rockfairymega Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	83%	63.8%	1.73	7:57	16.8	100%	4,346	33.0	889
5	Shadow Rhyperior groundrockshadow Smack Down / Rock Wrecker	Smack Down / Rock Wrecker+15 more movesets	85%	63.1%	1.74	8:02	12.0	100%	3,733	32.2	1256
6	Shadow Rampardos rockshadow Smack Down / Rock Slide	Smack Down / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	76%	62.1%	1.77	8:10	30.1	100%	3,298	33.4	477
7	Shadow Galarian Darmanitan (Standard) iceshadow Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+7 more movesets	77%	61.8%	1.78	8:12	25.3	100%	3,105	32.7	560
8	Mega Mewtwo X psychicfightingmega Psycho Cut / Ice Beam	Psycho Cut / Ice Beam+26 more movesets	82%	61.5%	1.79	8:15	12.6	100%	6,112	31.4	1168
9	Shadow Tyrantrum rockdragonshadow Rock Throw / Meteor Beam	Rock Throw / Meteor Beam+17 more movesets	78%	60.8%	1.81	8:20	18.2	100%	3,128	31.5	792
10	Shadow Mamoswine icegroundshadow Powder Snow / Avalanche	Powder Snow / Avalanche+11 more movesets	79%	60.5%	1.82	8:23	16.7	100%	3,328	31.2	928
11	Shadow Gigalith rockshadow Lock-On / Meteor Beam	Lock-On / Meteor Beam+14 more movesets	76%	59.7%	1.84	8:29	19.6	100%	3,228	31.1	715
12	Mega Tyranitar rockdarkmega Smack Down / Stone Edge	Smack Down / Stone Edge+15 more movesets	78%	58.3%	1.89	8:42	13.1	100%	5,347	29.7	1179
13	Mega Aerodactyl rockflyingmega Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+23 more movesets	73%	57.0%	1.93	8:54	20.2	100%	4,118	29.6	746
14	Shadow Regigigas normalshadow Hidden Power / Crush Grip	Hidden Power / Crush Grip+7 more movesets	73%	56.5%	1.95	8:58	19.0	86%	4,346	29.4	756
15	Mega Delphox firepsychicmega Fire Spin / Mystical Fire+	Fire Spin / Mystical Fire++23 more movesets	73%	56.4%	1.95	8:59	17.1	100%	4,783	29.0	909
16	Shadow Tyranitar rockdarkshadow Smack Down / Stone Edge	Smack Down / Stone Edge+15 more movesets	72%	56.1%	1.96	9:02	19.9	100%	3,834	29.0	791
17	Shadow Weavile darkiceshadow Ice Shard / Avalanche	Ice Shard / Avalanche+11 more movesets	69%	55.9%	1.97	9:04	26.8	96%	3,005	29.5	583
18	Rampardos rock Smack Down / Rock Slide	Smack Down / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	69%	55.9%	1.97	9:04	25.9	100%	3,298	29.4	542
19	Eternatus poisondragon Poison Jab / Dynamax Cannon	Poison Jab / Dynamax Cannon+7 more movesets	76%	55.7%	1.98	9:06	10.4	100%	4,429	28.3	1348
20	Glimmora rockpoison Rock Throw / Meteor Beam	Rock Throw / Meteor Beam+7 more movesets	70%	55.2%	2.00	9:11	19.7	100%	3,273	28.6	732
21	Mega Rayquaza dragonflyingmega Dragon Tail / Breaking Swipe	Dragon Tail / Breaking Swipe+11 more movesets	72%	54.7%	2.01	9:16	14.6	100%	5,713	27.9	1031
22	Primal Kyogre watermega Waterfall / Avalanche	Waterfall / Avalanche+5 more movesets	70%	53.9%	2.04	9:24	17.6	92%	5,902	27.7	909
23	Shadow Mewtwo psychicshadow Psycho Cut / Ice Beam	Psycho Cut / Ice Beam+23 more movesets	67%	53.6%	2.06	9:28	23.3	90%	4,178	28.0	675
24	Mega Raichu Y electricmega Thunder Shock / Zap Cannon+	Thunder Shock / Zap Cannon++35 more movesets	68%	53.3%	2.07	9:31	21.3	90%	3,780	27.7	662
25	Rhyperior groundrock Smack Down / Rock Wrecker	Smack Down / Rock Wrecker+15 more movesets	71%	53.0%	2.08	9:34	12.0	100%	3,733	26.8	1226
26	Shadow Landorus (Incarnate) groundflyingshadow Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+7 more movesets	68%	52.3%	2.10	9:41	17.7	94%	3,588	26.9	819
27	Baxcalibur dragonice Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+11 more movesets	68%	52.3%	2.11	9:42	17.5	96%	3,550	26.9	809
28	Mega Abomasnow grassicemega Powder Snow / Weather Ball (Ice)	Powder Snow / Weather Ball (Ice)+14 more movesets	67%	51.9%	2.12	9:46	17.3	96%	3,405	26.6	821
29	Mega Dragonite dragonflyingmega Dragon Tail / Outrage+	Dragon Tail / Outrage++26 more movesets	69%	51.8%	2.13	9:47	13.3	80%	4,823	26.4	1117
30	Galarian Darmanitan (Standard) ice Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+7 more movesets	64%	51.6%	2.14	9:50	27.0	80%	3,105	27.1	524

How accurate is this? Same top pick as pokebattler.com on 26 of 27 lists checked, 90% of its top tens shared; weakest on Mewtwo's default list (7 of 10).

Ranking. Our full ranking against the page pokebattler.com serves for the same boss and settings, on 27 boss and filter combinations read live (2026-10-04): 242 of 270 top-ten places shared, the same #1 on 26. On the six fixed reference bosses (read 2026-10-03): 85% top-ten overlap with its default filters, 83% with Shadow, Mega and Legendary on. A close top three is shown as a tie because the order inside it is below what we can measure.

Time to win. Graded with Pokebattler's own movesets against every boss moveset, average per boss: Tier 1 and 3 +0.1% to +1.2%; Tier 5 −2.9% to +1.3%; Mega −1.1% to +2.6%; Shadow Tier 5 −1.8% to +0.3%. One attacker can be off by more: median 1.6%, worst 15%, RMS per boss moveset 2.05%.

Known weak spots.

Mewtwo (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of Pokebattler's top 10: Absol, Incineroar and Salamence sit just outside ours, Polteageist, Cursola and Hisuian Typhlosion just inside.
Groudon (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of 10; its Grass and Water counters run 2-6% fast here.
Tier 5 times run about 2-3% fast for attackers that faint often, and 2-3% slow on Mega Charizard Y and Mega Beedrill, whose counters resist the boss.
Tier 1 lists are the least checked: Combee (Tier 1) shares only 3 of Pokebattler's top 10, with Gigalith first here where Pokebattler puts Rhyperior.

This boss on pokebattler.com. Boss-by-boss accuracy report.

Ranked 30 attackers in 1.1 s (50 Monte Carlo runs each, seed 1). Same boss on pokebattler.com. The same ranking as JSON: /api/raids/rank.