Thundurus (Incarnate) counters

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electric flyingEliteIn raids until Tue 6 Oct, 22:00

Lobby CP

53,167

20,000

Timer

5:00

Attack

276

Defense

176

Difficulty

2.78

Pokebattler scale

Beating Thundurus (Incarnate) should take 3 trainers with level 40 counters. Caught CP 1,828-1,911.

Weak torock1.6xice1.6x

Who to bring

IncludeMega Legendary Shadow

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Weather

★ boosts a type this boss is weak to

No boost Sunny or clear Rainy Partly cloudy ★Cloudy Windy Snow ★Fog

Friendship

every trainer in the lobby who is your friend

None Good friend (+3%)Great friend (+5%)Ultra friend (+7%)Best friend (+10%)

Mega in the lobby

a Mega boosts every trainer's attacks: 1.3x of its own type, 1.1x of others

Try an Ice Mega — most top counters attack with Ice

Party Power

Party Play: the charged move after a full meter does 2x

Off 2 trainers 3 trainers 4 trainers

Adventure Effects

only these three change a raid

Behemoth Blade (+10% attack)Behemoth Bash (+10% defense)Dynamic Punch+ (+15% attack vs Mega)

Of the game's eleven Adventure Effects only Behemoth Blade (Crowned Sword Zacian), Behemoth Bash (Crowned Shield Zamazenta) and Dynamic Punch+ (Mega Mewtwo X) change a raid; Roar of Time, Spacial Rend, Freeze Shock, Ice Burn, Sunsteel Strike, Moongeist Beam, Future Sight+ and Dynamax Cannon act outside raids. Dynamic Punch+ only counts against a Mega boss, so it changes nothing here. Sources: the full list, Behemoth Blade / Bash, Dynamic Punch+.

Best counters

Mega, Legendary, Shadow · level 40

The best Thundurus (Incarnate) counters are Kyurem (White), Mega Mewtwo Y, Kyurem (Black), Shadow Rhyperior, Shadow Mamoswine & Shadow Gigalith.

Suggested party of sixat most one Mega

Kyurem (White)
M. Mewtwo Y
Kyurem (Black)
S. Rhyperior
S. Mamoswine
S. Gigalith

2 more Megas ranked inside the top six — a party can hold only one Mega, so the best one stays and the next non-Mega takes the slot.

Ranked by Estimator (trainers needed); small print: time to winOrder byEstimatorOverall %

1Kyurem (White)LegendarypartyIce Fang / Ice Burn2.5111:33
2Mega Mewtwo YMegaLegendarypartyPsycho Cut / Future Sight+2.5811:52
3Kyurem (Black)LegendarypartyDragon Tail / Freeze Shock2.7412:37
4Shadow RhyperiorShadowpartySmack Down / Rock Wrecker2.8913:17
5Mega DiancieMegaLegendaryRock Throw / Rock Slide2.9213:27
6Mega Mewtwo XMegaLegendaryPsycho Cut / Ice Beam3.0113:52
7Shadow MamoswineShadowpartyPowder Snow / Avalanche3.0213:54
8Shadow GigalithShadowpartyLock-On / Meteor Beam3.0714:07
9Shadow TyrantrumShadowRock Throw / Meteor Beam3.1014:15
10Mega TyranitarMegaSmack Down / Stone Edge3.1414:27

More orders under All settings (Sort by). The top 15 in detail.

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Top 15 Thundurus (Incarnate) counters in detail

Click a row for damage per move, breakpoints and the energy cycle. Click a column to sort. All 30 ranked attackers, with every column, are under All settings.

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#	Attacker	Moveset
1	Kyurem (White)dragonicejoint top pick	iceIce FangiceIce Burn	4,605	11:33	2.51	6.0	43.9%
2	Mega Mewtwo Ypsychic	psychicPsycho CutpsychicFuture Sight+	6,428	11:52	2.58	5.9	42.7%
3	Kyurem (Black)dragonice	dragonDragon TailiceFreeze Shock	4,605	12:37	2.74	6.0	40.2%
4	Shadow Rhyperiorgroundrock	rockSmack DownrockRock Wrecker	3,733	13:17	2.89	5.9	38.1%
5	Mega Diancierockfairy	rockRock ThrowrockRock Slide	4,346	13:27	2.92	6.0	37.7%
6	Mega Mewtwo Xpsychicfighting	psychicPsycho CuticeIce Beam	6,112	13:52	3.01	5.9	36.6%
7	Shadow Mamoswineiceground	icePowder SnowiceAvalanche	3,328	13:54	3.02	6.0	36.5%
8	Shadow Gigalithrock	normalLock-OnrockMeteor Beam	3,228	14:07	3.07	6.0	35.9%
9	Shadow Tyrantrumrockdragon	rockRock ThrowrockMeteor Beam	3,128	14:15	3.10	6.0	35.6%
10	Mega Tyranitarrockdark	rockSmack DownrockStone Edge	5,347	14:27	3.14	5.7	35.1%
11	Shadow Rampardosrock	rockSmack DownrockRock Slide	3,298	14:49	3.22	6.0	34.2%
12	Eternatuspoisondragon	poisonPoison JabdragonDynamax Cannon	4,429	14:50	3.22	5.7	34.2%
13	Shadow Weaviledarkice	iceIce ShardiceAvalanche	3,005	15:30	3.37	6.0	32.7%
14	Shadow Regigigasnormal	normalHidden PowernormalCrush Grip	4,346	15:31	3.37	6.0	32.7%
15	Mega Delphoxfirepsychic	fireFire SpinfireMystical Fire+	4,783	15:37	3.40	6.0	32.4%

Ordered by Estimator alone, fewest trainers needed first. . The place badge names each row's Overall place on hover.

Times are one trainer with six copies of that attacker, level 40 at 15/15/15, no weather, no friendship, no dodging, Shadow / Mega / Legendary attackers hidden — the same defaults pokebattler.com's own counter pages open with. Open the full counter tool to change any of them. "Details" opens the per-move damage, breakpoints and energy cycle against Thundurus (Incarnate).

Estimator is how many trainers of this strength the fight needs. Power is the share of Thundurus (Incarnate)'s HP that six of that attacker remove inside one raid timer, so over 100% means they finish it with time to spare. Faints is how many of the six go down inside that timer.

Hardest movesets to raid against

The same boss is a different fight depending on what it knows. Each row re-simulates the top 6 counters above against one specific moveset; the list is ordered hardest first, and clicking a row filters the whole page to that moveset — the ranking, the estimator and the share link all follow.

Boss moveset	Win % (3)	Overall	Power	Time to win	Faints	Estimator
Random (any moveset)showing	100%	52%	39.3%	12:53	5.9	2.80
Thunder Shock / Thunder	99%	52%	38.7%	13:06	6.0	2.85
Astonish / Thunder	100%	51%	38.8%	13:03	6.0	2.84
Astonish / Brick Break	100%	51%	39.0%	12:59	6.0	2.82
Thunder Shock / Brick Break	100%	54%	39.1%	12:57	5.9	2.81
Astonish / Crunch	100%	51%	39.6%	12:47	6.0	2.78
Astonish / Thunder Punch	100%	67%	39.7%	12:45	6.0	2.77
Thunder Shock / Crunch	100%	52%	39.8%	12:44	6.0	2.77
Thunder Shock / Thunder Punch	100%	71%	39.9%	12:43	5.9	2.76

Measured over the top 6 attackers on the list above rather than by re-ranking the whole roster once per moveset — the ordering is what the table is for, and a full re-rank per moveset would cost ten times the page's whole simulation budget. Win % is the share of runs 3 trainers of those attackers finish inside the raid timer. Overall is Pokebattler's published blend on its own absolute scale (higher is easier), not a percentage of the best row the way the ranked table's Overall column is — which is why an easy boss reads well above 100% here.

Simulating each boss moveset…

Thundurus (Incarnate) weaknesses and resistances

Every one of the 18 attacking types against this boss's typing. GO multipliers: 1.6x super effective, 2.56x doubly, 0.625x resisted, 0.39x doubly resisted.

rock1.6x ice1.6x normal1x poison1x ghost1x fire1x water1x electric1x psychic1x dragon1x dark1x fairy1x fighting0.63x flying0.63x ground0.63x bug0.63x steel0.63x grass0.63x

Weak (2)
Neutral (10)
Resists (6)

It resists fighting0.625xflying0.625xground0.625xbug0.625xsteel0.625xgrass0.625x— bringing one of those is throwing damage away.

What Thundurus (Incarnate) throws at you

Its standard movepool, with the damage window a dodge has to beat.

Fast moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
electricThunder ShockSTAB	4	+7	0.5s	0.20s
ghostAstonish	7	+13	1.0s	0.60s

Charged moves

Move	Power	Energy	Duration	Hits at
electricThunderSTAB	100	-100	2.5s	1.30s
electricThunder PunchSTAB	50	-33	2.0s	1.90s
fightingBrick Break	40	-33	1.5s	0.70s
darkCrunch	65	-33	3.0s	1.10s

Catch CP

What the encounter after the fight can hand you.

IV spread	CP at L20	CP at L25 (weather boosted)
10/10/10floor	1,828	2,285
11/11/11	1,844	2,306
12/12/12	1,861	2,326
13/13/13	1,878	2,347
14/14/14	1,894	2,368
15/15/15hundo	1,911	2,389

Caught CP range 1,828 - 1,911, or 2,285 - 2,389 when the weather boosts it.

A raid encounter is level 20 (level 25 weather boosted) and cannot roll an IV below 10/10/10. Anything outside the first range is not this raid's reward.

LeekDuck publishes 1,762 - 1,911 normal and 2,203 - 2,389 boosted for this boss — which is not what our stat line gives, so one of the two is out of date. Trust the published band at the catch screen until this page is fixed.

When it is in raids

From the raid schedule, refreshed daily.

in raids nowShadow Thundurus (Incarnate)Shadow Tier 5Shadowshiny availableWed 9 Sept, 06:00 – Tue 6 Oct, 22:00 · ends in 1 day

All settings

Elite: 20,000 HP, 5:00 timer, boss Attack 276 / Defense 176 (15/15/15 at tier CPM 0.985).

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On a phone the list shows estimator, time to win and faints. Overall, Power, win chance, CP, DPS and TDO appear on a wider screen.

#	Attacker	Moveset	Overall	Power	Est.Estimator	TimeTime to win	Faints	Win % (3)	CP	DPS	TDO
1	Kyurem (White) dragonice Ice Fang / Ice Burn	Ice Fang / Ice Burn+17 more movesets	100%	43.9%	2.51	11:33	22.3	100%	4,605	30.1	858
2	Mega Mewtwo Y psychicmega Psycho Cut / Future Sight+	Psycho Cut / Future Sight++26 more movesets	97%	42.7%	2.58	11:52	24.2	100%	6,428	29.5	866
3	Kyurem (Black) dragonice Dragon Tail / Freeze Shock	Dragon Tail / Freeze Shock+11 more movesets	91%	40.2%	2.74	12:37	23.8	100%	4,605	27.6	803
4	Shadow Rhyperior groundrockshadow Smack Down / Rock Wrecker	Smack Down / Rock Wrecker+15 more movesets	86%	38.1%	2.89	13:17	24.4	100%	3,733	26.1	839
5	Mega Diancie rockfairymega Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	82%	37.7%	2.92	13:27	33.7	100%	4,346	26.3	589
6	Mega Mewtwo X psychicfightingmega Psycho Cut / Ice Beam	Psycho Cut / Ice Beam+26 more movesets	82%	36.6%	3.01	13:52	27.0	100%	6,112	25.2	774
7	Shadow Mamoswine icegroundshadow Powder Snow / Avalanche	Powder Snow / Avalanche+11 more movesets	80%	36.5%	3.02	13:54	31.3	100%	3,328	25.3	650
8	Shadow Gigalith rockshadow Lock-On / Meteor Beam	Lock-On / Meteor Beam+14 more movesets	77%	35.9%	3.07	14:07	38.0	100%	3,228	25.2	499
9	Shadow Tyrantrum rockdragonshadow Rock Throw / Meteor Beam	Rock Throw / Meteor Beam+17 more movesets	77%	35.6%	3.10	14:15	38.0	96%	3,128	24.9	510
10	Mega Tyranitar rockdarkmega Smack Down / Stone Edge	Smack Down / Stone Edge+15 more movesets	78%	35.1%	3.14	14:27	27.7	80%	5,347	24.1	794
11	Shadow Rampardos rockshadow Smack Down / Rock Slide	Smack Down / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	69%	34.2%	3.22	14:49	66.4	74%	3,298	25.4	316
12	Eternatus poisondragon Poison Jab / Dynamax Cannon	Poison Jab / Dynamax Cannon+7 more movesets	78%	34.2%	3.22	14:50	21.2	80%	4,429	23.2	915
13	Shadow Weavile darkiceshadow Ice Shard / Avalanche	Ice Shard / Avalanche+11 more movesets	68%	32.7%	3.37	15:30	55.6	36%	3,005	23.5	379
14	Shadow Regigigas normalshadow Hidden Power / Crush Grip	Hidden Power / Crush Grip+7 more movesets	70%	32.7%	3.37	15:31	39.0	36%	4,346	22.8	492
15	Mega Delphox firepsychicmega Fire Spin / Mystical Fire+	Fire Spin / Mystical Fire++23 more movesets	70%	32.4%	3.40	15:37	37.4	34%	4,783	22.6	576
16	Mega Aerodactyl rockflyingmega Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+23 more movesets	67%	32.3%	3.41	15:42	50.1	44%	4,118	23.0	454
17	Glimmora rockpoison Rock Throw / Meteor Beam	Rock Throw / Meteor Beam+7 more movesets	68%	32.0%	3.44	15:49	41.4	8%	3,273	22.4	471
18	Mega Rayquaza dragonflyingmega Dragon Tail / Breaking Swipe	Dragon Tail / Breaking Swipe+11 more movesets	70%	32.0%	3.44	15:51	33.4	0%	5,713	22.1	658
19	Primal Kyogre watermega Waterfall / Avalanche	Waterfall / Avalanche+5 more movesets	70%	32.0%	3.44	15:51	34.3	0%	5,902	22.1	608
20	Rhyperior groundrock Smack Down / Rock Wrecker	Smack Down / Rock Wrecker+15 more movesets	72%	31.9%	3.45	15:52	25.2	0%	3,733	21.8	818
21	Shadow Mewtwo psychicshadow Psycho Cut / Ice Beam	Psycho Cut / Ice Beam+23 more movesets	67%	31.9%	3.46	15:54	44.8	2%	4,178	22.4	464
22	Mega Dragonite dragonflyingmega Dragon Breath / Outrage+	Dragon Breath / Outrage++26 more movesets	71%	31.9%	3.46	15:55	26.9	0%	4,823	21.8	749
23	Shadow Tyranitar rockdarkshadow Smack Down / Stone Edge	Smack Down / Stone Edge+15 more movesets	66%	31.3%	3.52	16:11	46.1	26%	3,834	22.1	497
24	Gigalith rock Lock-On / Meteor Beam	Lock-On / Meteor Beam+14 more movesets	66%	30.9%	3.56	16:23	39.5	0%	3,228	21.6	483
25	Galarian Darmanitan (Standard) ice Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+7 more movesets	64%	30.9%	3.56	16:23	52.5	0%	3,105	21.9	364
26	Shadow Landorus (Incarnate) groundflyingshadow Rock Throw / Rock Slide	Rock Throw / Rock Slide+7 more movesets	67%	30.9%	3.57	16:24	37.2	0%	3,588	21.4	536
27	Mega Abomasnow grassicemega Powder Snow / Weather Ball (Ice)	Powder Snow / Weather Ball (Ice)+14 more movesets	66%	30.7%	3.58	16:30	36.3	0%	3,405	21.2	535
28	Baxcalibur dragonice Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+11 more movesets	66%	30.7%	3.59	16:30	37.1	0%	3,550	21.3	528
29	Rampardos rock Smack Down / Rock Slide	Smack Down / Rock Slide+5 more movesets	62%	30.6%	3.60	16:35	65.3	0%	3,298	22.2	301
30	Shadow Galarian Darmanitan (Standard) iceshadow Ice Fang / Avalanche	Ice Fang / Avalanche+7 more movesets	60%	29.9%	3.69	16:58	74.7	32%	3,105	22.5	286

How accurate is this? Same top pick as pokebattler.com on 26 of 27 lists checked, 90% of its top tens shared; weakest on Mewtwo's default list (7 of 10).

Ranking. Our full ranking against the page pokebattler.com serves for the same boss and settings, on 27 boss and filter combinations read live (2026-10-04): 242 of 270 top-ten places shared, the same #1 on 26. On the six fixed reference bosses (read 2026-10-03): 85% top-ten overlap with its default filters, 83% with Shadow, Mega and Legendary on. A close top three is shown as a tie because the order inside it is below what we can measure.

Time to win. Graded with Pokebattler's own movesets against every boss moveset, average per boss: Tier 1 and 3 +0.1% to +1.2%; Tier 5 −2.9% to +1.3%; Mega −1.1% to +2.6%; Shadow Tier 5 −1.8% to +0.3%. One attacker can be off by more: median 1.6%, worst 15%, RMS per boss moveset 2.05%.

Known weak spots.

Mewtwo (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of Pokebattler's top 10: Absol, Incineroar and Salamence sit just outside ours, Polteageist, Cursola and Hisuian Typhlosion just inside.
Groudon (Tier 5, default filters) shares 7 of 10; its Grass and Water counters run 2-6% fast here.
Tier 5 times run about 2-3% fast for attackers that faint often, and 2-3% slow on Mega Charizard Y and Mega Beedrill, whose counters resist the boss.
Tier 1 lists are the least checked: Combee (Tier 1) shares only 3 of Pokebattler's top 10, with Gigalith first here where Pokebattler puts Rhyperior.

This boss on pokebattler.com. Boss-by-boss accuracy report.

Ranked 30 attackers in 1.7 s (50 Monte Carlo runs each, seed 1). Same boss on pokebattler.com. The same ranking as JSON: /api/raids/rank.